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yeah yeah baby welcome back to calling

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all beings I'm your host DJ it is a

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special night because you know who's in

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the house we're not even going to say

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his name yet but before we do we are

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going to introduce the co-conspirator my

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brother the executive producer technical

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director the man who's trying to help me

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bring fun entertaining and interesting

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UAP Talk of the phenomenon and Bigfoot

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and paranormal in this joint money

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Nathan brother what is up guys great to

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see you all happy Wednesday I'm coming

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to you live from Skinwalker Ridge uh so

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just uh

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I gotta be careful so you watch out for

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me all right let's talk about like

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Brandon going up there and dress shirt

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in the three-piece suit I'm looking for

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all right and

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all special treat going to pick up Mr

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Prime tonight after ins but before she

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does any of that business and before she

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starts version zero

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oh my God

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Leah Prime

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good evening everyone DJ I want whatever

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you're having tonight I'm tying one on

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with a Coke Zero and that's like hard

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stuff oh version Coke Zero this is great

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maybe we can get Coca-Cola we can get a

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tie-in get some advertising yeah uh and

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it was sponsorship I like it and now

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right here this is my brother right here

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I'll tell you what I have so many good

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talks with this guy I can't wait to get

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on the phone with him every time and

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pick his damn brain he is the host of

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Bigfoot Crossroads former Bigfoot Outlaw

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and just an original gangster uh and

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he's gonna be able to cut it up with TJ

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tonight a little bit about Bigfoot so

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put your hands together from Matt now

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what up

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all right

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um so Nathan is this the third time or

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fourth time we've had TJ on did he come

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to the holiday party uh he may have yes

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and I was kind of trying to title the

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episode I was like it's TJ returns again

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he returns and returns again yeah that's

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great we're so I I know

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yeah that he has uh decided to to lend

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his time to us and I'm sure a lot of

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people would like to have him and every

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time I contact TJ and say hey would you

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come on with us he says yes so uh this

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man right here let me tell you what man

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two-time Emmy winning producer executive

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producer of The Secret of skin walker

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Ranch on History Channel while you're at

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home eating Cheetos he don't got his

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master's degree so put your hands

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together for Mr TJ Ellen

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I love your intross

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thank you thank you three controls man

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appreciate it so I always love coming on

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here great to have you back we love

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having you TJ we really do appreciate it

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man there's other people we struggle and

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struggle and struggle to get him on

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we're like look you're gonna have a good

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time come on up in here and it's like

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you know man you know

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um so now I I assume that what you're

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going to tell me is hair and makeup just

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left and it took them an hour for you to

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look like this no I just got home

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what all over yeah no this is just how

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you look normally yes you guys are

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always so flattering incredible no way

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man just take it yeah I don't know yeah

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it's uh I'll do the best that I can so

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TJ congrats on the launch of season four

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of skin walking yes I just thank you

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that first episode it's awesome it's

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great to see these guys back together uh

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the entire team and you know not only is

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it unique we've talked about this before

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to have a show go for this long but it's

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also unique to have the kind of

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chemistry that these folks have together

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I mean they really seem like a

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close-knit group of people uh how hard

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is it to find this kind of winning

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formula impossible it's impossible when

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I try to explain the idea of the odds

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here of this happening this is like the

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Powerball right it is it it's to work in

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the industry for so long you try and you

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try you try to get a show on air and

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then when you do you pray the you know

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Season One turns into season two and

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it's like oh my God that's the win in

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season three oh my God four what like

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nobody gets season four anymore you know

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and and I can tell you this right now

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the numbers came out the early reads on

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the ratings and were up from last season

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premiere so that's a big thing fantastic

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you know fingers crossed uh that it

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keeps trending that way because now it's

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all about the trend right so where do we

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go from here

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um networks look at those numbers very

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intently and uh but yes the chemistry of

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these guys it's the real deal I was just

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I was trying to pull up on my phone

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because you got Skinwalker Ridge there I

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have all these pictures of me on the

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ridge with the guys

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um yesterday I talked I was talking to

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Eric and Tom yesterday uh FaceTiming

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guys it's funny it was like it's just

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you know they're they're people right

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but there's Eric's Eric just lives there

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man Eric doesn't come home ever wow

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and uh yeah now it's it's a unique group

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I heard from Jim today I love Jim as

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soon as my brother

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um great guy see you Brian talk to Brian

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uh they're all good good people man and

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it's uh

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yeah they they they

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keeping they keep it real you know

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they're really just doing it and they're

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still out there working Tom was all beat

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up dusty and dirty yesterday working so

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a quick follow-up to that so now that

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the show has had the success that it has

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I mean is it kind of easier to get folks

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interested in showing up to the ranch to

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help them conduct these experiments I

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would imagine that's open some doors it

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isn't yeah Eric's beating people off of

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a stick essentially everyone wants to be

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a part piece of it

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um but that's what happens you know

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there's property and not not a physical

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property but an intellectual property

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and people aren't a part of that and so

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you know you'll see vendors you call

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them vendors right people just coming

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out with their Wares and they're

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bringing stuff on and it's you know it

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it's a vehicle for them it's a vehicle

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um you know there's it's like in-kind

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advertising is a way to look at it uh

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you know back in my back Jason I was

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doing a home renovation show used to do

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these things

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um everything has a dollar value

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attached to it so a mention is more

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valuable than say like a mention like

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someone physically saying your name of

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your product is more valuable than like

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say a logo shop

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um you know which is more valuable than

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say you know a pan of a logo so

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everything has a value and so in trade

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it was like hey

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um we're going to show the brand of your

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store you guys are going to wear

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t-shirts for your store

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um but we need you to provide us with

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Cabinetry so they'll provide cabinets

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and then then they get at

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pre-advertising in that way so that's

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kind of the way it works well that's

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what's that so my presence out at the

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ranch is worth how much there's a value

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they can't put a price on it yeah I

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cannot afford you the like a Vente sort

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of a Starbucks

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140 what are you talking about

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I have to pay G TJ 150 000 to step

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go ahead Matt

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take it away brother I'm sorry I didn't

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say anything else stupid go ahead has

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there ever been any uh consideration or

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thought in changing the name from

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Skinwalker Ranch to Skinwalker

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good to wear that one in there

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no uh I read somewhere on the internet

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of things that uh

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rapper post Malone visited the ranch uh

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what was that like and like do you have

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a lot of celebrity guests wanting to

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come out there

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um so I had nothing to do with any of

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those guests that's a Brandon thing so

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Brandon is a musician

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um you know that's just kind of one of

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his passions so he's he does bring these

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acoustic experts out uh to kind of you

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know evaluate stuff in a way that you're

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not going to get normally right like

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it's not that that's kind of the the way

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you can justify bringing someone like

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them out there to a spot that is that

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that dangerous

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um it is not a a funny games place

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but you know these people like you don't

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become a a huge recording artist without

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knowing something about audio and

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Acoustics and vibrations and I think

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that's that's kind of the the overlap

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there uh but yeah I imagine Brandon's

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contact at all the time I mean I know I

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contact him all the time and he very

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rarely gets back to me

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he hasn't gotten back to me either

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but he's he's a uh

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he lives it man he's in it he's living

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it

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that guy I mean if you look at his

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activity online he you know two in the

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morning he's tweeting and then six in

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the morning just read it like

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I don't know he's he doesn't sleep he's

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a machine

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I wouldn't care to have him on uh

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because of who he is because of uh what

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his the fact just that he owns the ranch

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I just like the guy I just think he's

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like you said he's cool and he's really

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just trying to be like is interested in

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the phenomena just like we are uh just

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like the same reason that we want to

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have you on is why we would have him on

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not because he owns the ranch like

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that's not enough for me to want to have

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somebody on the show

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um but let me let me turn you over to so

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we had two two great new cabbies uh one

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of our last cabbies actually made a logo

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of Skinwalker Ranch dressing Matt

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doesn't know that a prior cabbie flare

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that we had on but uh but let me pass

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you over to this another amazing new

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cabin we have here Leah Prime yeah hey

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TJ

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um

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little paper

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Boulder there actually there's two of

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them those little gold statues look

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pretty nice

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um oh

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yeah I don't think I'm broadcasting from

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like the cable and you're just like

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I mean I've got like a Funko Pop behind

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me yeah

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so my office is a disaster right now

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this is a mess I can't even get to it

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Awards everywhere

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um one of the things I'm always super

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curious about uh with people that are

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working producing writing creating in

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and around this subject is whose

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influence their approach

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and I'd love to hear you know whose

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influenced you either from a production

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standpoint or from like an informational

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or sort of opinion standpoint

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so that's interesting I've never had

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that question

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um

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I got to be honest my friends involved

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in my influences uh because I look at

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so to be a quote-unquote expert in any

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of the Paranormal anything right

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um

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an expert means in this field like that

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you have

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full historical knowledge of the stories

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and narratives

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that's what an expert is in this field

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there's no because we have no answers to

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anything so

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and there's there's good and bad to that

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right so so I don't take any inspiration

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or any kind of

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there's never been a narrative that I

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have followed that I haven't come up

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with myself

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um because my all of ours are just as

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validated as anyone else's I don't care

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if you're Jacques valet or whoever the

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heck you think you are

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you have an opinion yes it may be backed

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up by anecdotal data or even some big

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data either way

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um data you collected on your own that's

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great but you don't have any answers any

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more than anyone else does so you don't

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know anything I don't and I've always

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approached it like that I don't know

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anything and so I'm I am very very open

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and objected to all of this I don't

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claim

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any and I don't discount anybody's

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thoughts or feelings or experiences

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um I make room for everyone to talk

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about their stuff and I it could be just

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as valid as anybody else's so in that

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regard like in terms of inspiration like

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storytelling and thinking of this I've

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never really taken

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taking that like taking it from anybody

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else the thing this project in

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particular started off I like to say it

328
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like started off as a dare

329
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um because so I'm a TV guy first right

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so my history is all home renovation

331
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shows the Rockettes Christmas

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Spectacular for you know years like

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these are the things that I produced

334
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um television commercials video games

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like all this other stuff so

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um after pitching a lot in finding you

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know I I look at a market you do it like

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an analysis of a market and you're like

339
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okay so what's popular right now and at

340
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this time Oak Island was super popular

341
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and so with Oak Island being popular

342
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it's like well if the way my mind always

343
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works is if that then what else if that

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thing what else and so I like kind of

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like you know take two great tastes to

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taste great together right so like when

347
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I pitch skin walker I pitched it as a

348
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paranormal Oak Island literally a

349
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paranormal Oak Island and they were like

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how could you do that where could we

351
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find that

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they're like there's only two places you

353
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could do that area 51 and you can walk a

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ranch and no one's ever been able to get

355
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into any of these one of those places

356
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and that's when it was like well

357
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challenge accepted and it took me two

358
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years and like a dog with a bone man no

359
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way I was giving up on that um and so

360
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once I found an opportunity

361
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um I think that the floodgates of

362
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the floodgates of information about this

363
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top these topics and how they all

364
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overlap with one another

365
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um hit me in a way I wasn't expecting

366
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but so like the creative part of it was

367
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I was looking I was a treaty person

368
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looking for an opportunity and looking

369
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for a project that no one was able to do

370
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before to kind of climb that mountain

371
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put my flag on it and that's what we did

372
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like a brought you skin walker Ranch and

373
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no one else would ever been able to do

374
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this literally it took me years and

375
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Brandon will tell you my late night

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phone calls my three minute talks at 2

377
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A.M with him

378
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um to get this track down so and there

379
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was no script for this there was no

380
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one's ever done this before so there was

381
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no like blueprint to follow so I was

382
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trying to follow the blueprint of Oak

383
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Island of like hey let's find a place

384
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that we can study something for a long

385
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period of time and get legitimate data

386
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collection going and you know make it

387
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repeatable

388
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build a data set study over and over and

389
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over and over and lock it down so don't

390
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you touch it

391
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um that's what we did so in terms of

392
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that but like the inspiration of Stephen

393
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Walker I think that happened

394
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you know from from those those

395
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conversations with never exactly almost

396
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challenging you like you can't get this

397
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one okay fine

398
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um so yeah there was never any other uh

399
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yeah I guess it was never like an

400
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inspiration other than like you know

401
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don't tell me I can't do something yes

402
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Buffalo's own uh and it kind of made me

403
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think of of Buffalo when when you you

404
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talked about that TJ and I've got two

405
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questions for you but the first one is

406
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going to be about Buffalo and I'm going

407
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to ask you if your friend I assume that

408
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you have friends you grew up there you

409
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have friends there that you interact

410
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with on a regular basis that are outside

411
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of the entertainment industry am I

412
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correct

413
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so I am trans I just moved to Buffalo uh

414
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I'm from Central New York which is Utica

415
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which is like right smack dab in the

416
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middle of New York City Upstate right

417
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now oh where yeah I'm right outside

418
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Albany uh born and raised but I'm I'm on

419
00:16:24,710 --> 00:16:23,339
an itinerary digital Nomad year but I

420
00:16:27,650 --> 00:16:24,720
passed through Buffalo whenever I go

421
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back to Pittsburgh so okay okay no I

422
00:16:32,269 --> 00:16:29,339
mean I just moved to eat yeah so I left

423
00:16:33,949 --> 00:16:32,279
I left Utica back in the late 90s moved

424
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to New York City and then I moved up

425
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here three years ago

426
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um because it was just opportunities

427
00:16:41,689 --> 00:16:39,300
were up here so uh but in terms of like

428
00:16:43,990 --> 00:16:41,699
my friends outside of the business all

429
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those TV there's people that you know

430
00:16:50,569 --> 00:16:47,940
BTV and ATV right before TV and after TV

431
00:16:52,910 --> 00:16:50,579
um and well you know there's it's the B

432
00:16:54,410 --> 00:16:52,920
TV that I'm curious about do they want

433
00:16:57,290 --> 00:16:54,420
to speak with you about this topic and

434
00:16:58,970 --> 00:16:57,300
what do they say no I think we all Beat

435
00:17:01,490 --> 00:16:58,980
It To Death growing up and talked about

436
00:17:04,010 --> 00:17:01,500
this stuff many drunken bonfires and

437
00:17:06,470 --> 00:17:04,020
like we all have the same we all had the

438
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like

439
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really became a I remember having these

440
00:17:14,329 --> 00:17:12,600
talks as like a teenager talking about

441
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like you know when I become rich and

442
00:17:16,610 --> 00:17:15,299
famous because everyone wants to be rich

443
00:17:18,169 --> 00:17:16,620
and famous when you're a teenager in the

444
00:17:19,669 --> 00:17:18,179
80s the 90s it's like you know what

445
00:17:21,110 --> 00:17:19,679
happened commercial famous

446
00:17:23,510 --> 00:17:21,120
um I'm gonna take all the smartest

447
00:17:25,069 --> 00:17:23,520
people I can fight I'm gonna rent out a

448
00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:25,079
huge match and they're gonna pay all the

449
00:17:27,409 --> 00:17:26,400
smartest people I can to sit around and

450
00:17:29,630 --> 00:17:27,419
we're gonna talk about all these

451
00:17:30,890 --> 00:17:29,640
unknowns that was like I remember having

452
00:17:31,970 --> 00:17:30,900
these these conversations with my

453
00:17:33,770 --> 00:17:31,980
friends like this is what I want to do

454
00:17:34,970 --> 00:17:33,780
when I like they're like why would you

455
00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:34,980
want to do that like you could do

456
00:17:38,450 --> 00:17:36,240
anything you want you just want to nerd

457
00:17:40,430 --> 00:17:38,460
out and talk about stuff like this

458
00:17:41,210 --> 00:17:40,440
um but it was you know we all had the

459
00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:41,220
same

460
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:43,440
yes yes

461
00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:44,880
um so we all had these same kind of uh

462
00:17:48,830 --> 00:17:46,799
you know things like we used to go ghost

463
00:17:50,510 --> 00:17:48,840
hunting you know with baseball bats I

464
00:17:53,750 --> 00:17:50,520
don't know why

465
00:17:54,890 --> 00:17:53,760
um it's always so weird to me uh we go

466
00:17:57,169 --> 00:17:54,900
to cemeteries in the middle of night

467
00:18:01,789 --> 00:17:57,179
with bats like we could do fight a ghost

468
00:18:02,930 --> 00:18:01,799
like that uh like but now it's uh you

469
00:18:03,830 --> 00:18:02,940
know we still talk about this stuff but

470
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now it's

471
00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:05,220
you know it crosses over to the business

472
00:18:09,230 --> 00:18:07,440
part of it and now it's you know I'm

473
00:18:11,210 --> 00:18:09,240
capped about certain things I kind of

474
00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:11,220
can't say about you know stuff not that

475
00:18:14,930 --> 00:18:12,840
I know when you see the only Secrets I

476
00:18:17,390 --> 00:18:14,940
know of things that happen on the show I

477
00:18:19,610 --> 00:18:17,400
don't know Secrets outside of that

478
00:18:22,370 --> 00:18:19,620
um and I can't tell you this stuff I

479
00:18:24,770 --> 00:18:22,380
know about the show because my job uh

480
00:18:26,690 --> 00:18:24,780
absolutely we would never try to get you

481
00:18:28,010 --> 00:18:26,700
to compromise uh you know you come on

482
00:18:29,270 --> 00:18:28,020
here we're never gonna try to dig

483
00:18:30,289 --> 00:18:29,280
something no it's gonna get you in

484
00:18:32,150 --> 00:18:30,299
trouble

485
00:18:33,590 --> 00:18:32,160
um what's interesting though is that the

486
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phenomenon and what you just talked

487
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about kicking it around at it at a keg

488
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party down by the you know the lake or

489
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the river or or

490
00:18:43,130 --> 00:18:41,280
um you know talking about sitting on

491
00:18:46,010 --> 00:18:43,140
fire in the Mansion it's it's it's

492
00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:46,020
really a metaphor for life because it's

493
00:18:49,490 --> 00:18:47,520
not really about getting the answers

494
00:18:52,789 --> 00:18:49,500
everybody who's on this panel right now

495
00:18:55,250 --> 00:18:52,799
probably won't be alive to get a whole

496
00:18:56,930 --> 00:18:55,260
lot further or get quote the answers but

497
00:18:58,250 --> 00:18:56,940
it's about the journey which is what

498
00:18:59,870 --> 00:18:58,260
we're doing right here which is what

499
00:19:01,730 --> 00:18:59,880
you're doing on the show which is what

500
00:19:03,770 --> 00:19:01,740
you're doing at the keg party you know

501
00:19:05,450 --> 00:19:03,780
you're just taking the journey and and

502
00:19:07,789 --> 00:19:05,460
kicking around with people that you

503
00:19:10,669 --> 00:19:07,799
enjoy talking to so treating the beer

504
00:19:12,770 --> 00:19:10,679
first Scotch exactly it's got more money

505
00:19:15,650 --> 00:19:12,780
now he's looking at doing Jenny cream

506
00:19:22,490 --> 00:19:19,310
he had I'm just kidding I'm a New Yorker

507
00:19:23,630 --> 00:19:22,500
come on man oh my God Jenny cream held

508
00:19:25,130 --> 00:19:23,640
it's so funny

509
00:19:28,610 --> 00:19:25,140
I've never been like oh this is

510
00:19:32,990 --> 00:19:31,430
it's so funny the second question I

511
00:19:35,690 --> 00:19:33,000
wanted to ask you is about the dynamic

512
00:19:37,010 --> 00:19:35,700
between Eric I mean the show that you

513
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:37,020
know okay yeah we have this great

514
00:19:41,029 --> 00:19:38,880
scientist who has a multitude of degrees

515
00:19:43,730 --> 00:19:41,039
but we didn't know that he was actually

516
00:19:45,909 --> 00:19:43,740
working as a contractor to the arrow

517
00:19:48,529 --> 00:19:45,919
office you know that makes his profile

518
00:19:50,390 --> 00:19:48,539
significantly larger what is it Dynamic

519
00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:50,400
like first first of all congratulations

520
00:19:55,250 --> 00:19:53,160
on getting a scientist on of that with

521
00:19:57,770 --> 00:19:55,260
those bonafides at that level but what

522
00:20:01,669 --> 00:19:57,780
is the dynamic between Travis and Eric

523
00:20:04,730 --> 00:20:01,679
because you have two scientific guys I

524
00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:04,740
I've uh you know talking to the guys

525
00:20:10,970 --> 00:20:08,880
um I it is a uh it's a very symbiotic

526
00:20:12,890 --> 00:20:10,980
relationship between everyone

527
00:20:14,810 --> 00:20:12,900
um they know I think people have fallen

528
00:20:16,130 --> 00:20:14,820
into where they what they do and how

529
00:20:19,070 --> 00:20:16,140
they do it

530
00:20:20,750 --> 00:20:19,080
um I don't ever see any uh not maybe

531
00:20:21,730 --> 00:20:20,760
they hide it very well not privy to any

532
00:20:27,169 --> 00:20:21,740
like

533
00:20:28,549 --> 00:20:27,179
everyone knows their Lane and they all

534
00:20:31,130 --> 00:20:28,559
kind of stick with it like they you know

535
00:20:32,510 --> 00:20:31,140
Eric is an observer he's you know that's

536
00:20:36,610 --> 00:20:32,520
what he does

537
00:20:39,950 --> 00:20:39,169
let's fire a rocket into it see what

538
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:39,960
happens

539
00:20:46,850 --> 00:20:45,770
um but yeah so I think everyone knows

540
00:20:49,789 --> 00:20:46,860
that and they've all kind of settled

541
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,799
into their stuff and that's you know

542
00:20:54,409 --> 00:20:51,600
so that's right

543
00:20:55,789 --> 00:20:54,419
yeah it is um you know you're not

544
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:55,799
reading any trades about people having

545
00:20:58,010 --> 00:20:57,360
fist fights behind the scenes or

546
00:21:00,590 --> 00:20:58,020
anything

547
00:21:02,570 --> 00:21:00,600
no I think that's great I mean it it

548
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:02,580
appears like there's a healthy respect

549
00:21:06,169 --> 00:21:04,799
for roles and that's all that's

550
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:06,179
important is that you respect your

551
00:21:09,470 --> 00:21:07,679
colleagues and their role in that

552
00:21:12,110 --> 00:21:09,480
they're probably strong in a certain

553
00:21:14,570 --> 00:21:12,120
area which you know they all are in an

554
00:21:16,970 --> 00:21:14,580
area that somebody else is not

555
00:21:18,169 --> 00:21:16,980
um so I'm gonna pass you to money Nathan

556
00:21:20,210 --> 00:21:18,179
we'll go through this round and then

557
00:21:22,130 --> 00:21:20,220
we'll start into the fireside chat where

558
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:22,140
we're gonna get over here your topic and

559
00:21:25,970 --> 00:21:24,000
everybody else is going to get to throw

560
00:21:26,810 --> 00:21:25,980
ties so please money Nathan take it away

561
00:21:29,149 --> 00:21:26,820
sir

562
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:29,159
I want to kind of follow up on that

563
00:21:32,810 --> 00:21:31,200
Travis Taylor line so it was kind of

564
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:32,820
controversial when that news came out

565
00:21:37,070 --> 00:21:35,039
that he would have been on the uaptf the

566
00:21:38,690 --> 00:21:37,080
chief scientist and the first episode

567
00:21:40,730 --> 00:21:38,700
kind of spend some time talking about

568
00:21:44,210 --> 00:21:40,740
that with the team which I thought was

569
00:21:46,909 --> 00:21:44,220
smart uh what in what way has that

570
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,919
impacted the the show I mean has it has

571
00:21:50,029 --> 00:21:48,240
there been any other government

572
00:21:51,890 --> 00:21:50,039
involvement because of his involvement

573
00:21:54,049 --> 00:21:51,900
with that group but what what can you

574
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:54,059
say about that uh I can say that our

575
00:22:00,190 --> 00:21:56,480
readings are up

576
00:22:04,010 --> 00:22:02,930
uh you can read into that however you

577
00:22:05,570 --> 00:22:04,020
want

578
00:22:08,270 --> 00:22:05,580
um

579
00:22:10,669 --> 00:22:08,280
the uh the viewership I should say then

580
00:22:12,049 --> 00:22:10,679
so other than just no no I I I know your

581
00:22:14,090 --> 00:22:12,059
question and I purposely am not

582
00:22:17,090 --> 00:22:14,100
answering your question I understand you

583
00:22:19,789 --> 00:22:17,100
know there's there's yes watched

584
00:22:22,010 --> 00:22:19,799
it's been the season well let me ask you

585
00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:22,020
this one uh how would you um the seasons

586
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:23,700
have been I think very solid and

587
00:22:28,610 --> 00:22:26,159
consistent so how would you sure kind of

588
00:22:31,789 --> 00:22:28,620
rank this season uh relative to the

589
00:22:33,970 --> 00:22:31,799
others you ain't seen nothing yet and I

590
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:33,980
cannot wait

591
00:22:40,669 --> 00:22:37,200
it is an arc then so you got it's a

592
00:22:41,690 --> 00:22:40,679
story arc you start off slow ramp itself

593
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:41,700
up

594
00:22:45,289 --> 00:22:43,679
um there was a crescendo that happens

595
00:22:49,010 --> 00:22:45,299
um

596
00:22:52,430 --> 00:22:49,020
things people there's going to be some

597
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,440
opinions changed this season

598
00:22:56,210 --> 00:22:54,000
it's going to be some opinions formed

599
00:22:58,010 --> 00:22:56,220
opinions change this season

600
00:23:00,289 --> 00:22:58,020
I'm gonna leave it at that that's I

601
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:00,299
think I think I I don't think this is

602
00:23:07,130 --> 00:23:03,950
yeah

603
00:23:09,649 --> 00:23:07,140
um it's different it's different I'm

604
00:23:11,870 --> 00:23:09,659
excited I'm excited

605
00:23:13,970 --> 00:23:11,880
I'm curious about what reactions are

606
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:13,980
going to be is what I'm I think the

607
00:23:17,630 --> 00:23:15,360
social reactions are going to be the

608
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:17,640
bigger

609
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,720
I don't know it's going to be

610
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:20,640
interesting it's going to be interesting

611
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,840
um

612
00:23:26,210 --> 00:23:23,760
it definitely went up a level with the

613
00:23:28,490 --> 00:23:26,220
helicopter last season with the how the

614
00:23:30,649 --> 00:23:28,500
radar altimeter was spoofed how they

615
00:23:32,810 --> 00:23:30,659
then saw the object I think with a

616
00:23:34,130 --> 00:23:32,820
different uh they had some sort of

617
00:23:36,169 --> 00:23:34,140
optical device on the ground where they

618
00:23:38,990 --> 00:23:36,179
could see an object pass underneath the

619
00:23:41,690 --> 00:23:39,000
helicopter that I think really that

620
00:23:45,169 --> 00:23:41,700
really dialed it up last season so I I

621
00:23:47,450 --> 00:23:45,179
can see how with how far they pushed the

622
00:23:50,510 --> 00:23:47,460
envelope drilling into the side of the

623
00:23:52,690 --> 00:23:50,520
Mesa last season firing up into areas

624
00:23:55,730 --> 00:23:52,700
that they thought would would be

625
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,740
provoking that the phenomenon you could

626
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:57,120
only met they're going to go further

627
00:24:01,370 --> 00:23:58,799
this season because like we already did

628
00:24:03,049 --> 00:24:01,380
that we're going to dial it up now what

629
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:03,059
I know

630
00:24:07,490 --> 00:24:04,320
um and we're digging that there's some

631
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:07,500
digging Matt as we pass it to you I I

632
00:24:14,090 --> 00:24:10,080
asked TJ earlier on text message had he

633
00:24:17,870 --> 00:24:14,100
heard a Bigfoot activity on the ranch he

634
00:24:19,789 --> 00:24:17,880
hasn't and I I feel like I heard that

635
00:24:22,430 --> 00:24:19,799
there was Matt in in with your sources

636
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,440
had you heard of anything prior to to

637
00:24:26,690 --> 00:24:24,480
Brandon buying it or had you heard

638
00:24:27,470 --> 00:24:26,700
anything about act Bigfoot activity on

639
00:24:29,630 --> 00:24:27,480
the ranch

640
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,640
you know years ago I think it might have

641
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,679
been Ghost Hunters the television series

642
00:24:37,850 --> 00:24:33,840
there was some paranormal team that

643
00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:37,860
visited the Ranch location uh on an

644
00:24:42,110 --> 00:24:38,940
episode

645
00:24:44,690 --> 00:24:42,120
and they had some activity that in my

646
00:24:48,110 --> 00:24:44,700
opinion was Bigfoot activity and not

647
00:24:49,610 --> 00:24:48,120
paranormal related uh I mean just the

648
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:49,620
Classic they heard something walking

649
00:24:54,110 --> 00:24:51,840
around I think something threw a rock or

650
00:24:55,730 --> 00:24:54,120
a stick at them there were some

651
00:24:57,470 --> 00:24:55,740
vocalizations and it's just all stuff

652
00:24:58,909 --> 00:24:57,480
that would classically be attributed to

653
00:25:01,490 --> 00:24:58,919
Bigfoot

654
00:25:04,370 --> 00:25:01,500
um outside of that I mean

655
00:25:07,789 --> 00:25:04,380
obviously the area in general has a lot

656
00:25:11,690 --> 00:25:07,799
of stories in history and there's a an

657
00:25:14,570 --> 00:25:11,700
individual who I believe claims to have

658
00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:14,580
at once lived on the property adjacent

659
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,159
to Skinwalker Ranch who's said some

660
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,919
things over the years uh but you know

661
00:25:24,529 --> 00:25:22,080
it's all stories uh

662
00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:24,539
as far as actual reports from Skinwalker

663
00:25:28,730 --> 00:25:26,100
Ranch I'm not really familiar with any

664
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:28,740
actual reports or anything

665
00:25:34,430 --> 00:25:31,440
um but there's some activity that could

666
00:25:36,169 --> 00:25:34,440
be considered uh like I said classic

667
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:36,179
Bigfoot activity

668
00:25:46,010 --> 00:25:42,720
give me example things that in my

669
00:25:48,769 --> 00:25:46,020
opinion would seem uh the result of a

670
00:25:49,610 --> 00:25:48,779
human uh possibly

671
00:25:52,730 --> 00:25:49,620
um

672
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:52,740
smacking on the outside of buildings uh

673
00:25:57,950 --> 00:25:55,679
objects being moved around property you

674
00:26:01,250 --> 00:25:57,960
know a lot of times It's associated with

675
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,260
a haunting uh but if you go in and find

676
00:26:03,970 --> 00:26:02,880
tracks you know then you start asking

677
00:26:07,490 --> 00:26:03,980
other questions

678
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:07,500
uh you know stick structures formations

679
00:26:12,590 --> 00:26:10,320
things of that nature uh strange

680
00:26:14,409 --> 00:26:12,600
primate-like vocalizations or human-like

681
00:26:18,169 --> 00:26:14,419
vocalizations

682
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:18,179
uh you know classic howls and the siren

683
00:26:23,570 --> 00:26:19,919
Call that you uh here on the Internet

684
00:26:29,230 --> 00:26:23,580
it's called the Ohio howl uh

685
00:26:34,909 --> 00:26:32,990
yeah Matt moneymaker the uh guy from

686
00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:34,919
Skinwalker Ranch he was I don't know

687
00:26:38,570 --> 00:26:36,840
what his role at Skinwalker Ranch

688
00:26:41,149 --> 00:26:38,580
obviously he was the principal behind it

689
00:26:43,370 --> 00:26:41,159
the lawyer from La went to school in

690
00:26:45,950 --> 00:26:43,380
Ohio he's the one who got that recording

691
00:26:47,690 --> 00:26:45,960
in like 94 and 95 and it's an it's an

692
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,700
amazing recording it's it's quite

693
00:26:50,930 --> 00:26:49,440
powerful to hear it because you're

694
00:26:53,210 --> 00:26:50,940
trying to figure out what animal would

695
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:53,220
do that so sorry to interrupt Matt no

696
00:26:56,930 --> 00:26:54,960
you're good fire away with your question

697
00:26:59,630 --> 00:26:56,940
whenever you're ready sir I was just

698
00:27:01,730 --> 00:26:59,640
going to ask about uh whenever it comes

699
00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:01,740
to you know producing the actual

700
00:27:08,210 --> 00:27:04,380
television series I know a lot of

701
00:27:11,930 --> 00:27:08,220
research done in this sort of phenomenon

702
00:27:14,810 --> 00:27:11,940
is a lot of waiting game and a lot of

703
00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:14,820
time spent with no activity

704
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:17,880
how do you handle that in producing a

705
00:27:21,649 --> 00:27:19,679
series and do you ever feel

706
00:27:24,350 --> 00:27:21,659
pressure to

707
00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:24,360
you know make things seem possibly more

708
00:27:28,490 --> 00:27:26,400
than they are or is there enough

709
00:27:29,390 --> 00:27:28,500
activity to keep the ball moving so to

710
00:27:32,269 --> 00:27:29,400
speak

711
00:27:33,950 --> 00:27:32,279
yeah so the just to be clear so the guys

712
00:27:35,690 --> 00:27:33,960
at Prometheus are doing the day-to-day

713
00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:35,700
production like those guys are ass

714
00:27:40,010 --> 00:27:37,740
kickers and they know what they're doing

715
00:27:42,289 --> 00:27:40,020
um this is everything is you know in

716
00:27:43,970 --> 00:27:42,299
television uh unscripted television is

717
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:43,980
you know what I always call

718
00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:48,480
situationally scripted uh and so it is a

719
00:27:51,769 --> 00:27:49,980
you're scripting beats and you're

720
00:27:54,169 --> 00:27:51,779
scripting story arcs

721
00:27:56,690 --> 00:27:54,179
um and what we have the benefit of this

722
00:27:57,769 --> 00:27:56,700
show uh is that there are experiments so

723
00:27:58,909 --> 00:27:57,779
the experiments are going to drive the

724
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:58,919
action

725
00:28:03,289 --> 00:28:01,200
um and the result so you can set them up

726
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:03,299
and there's there's no need to you know

727
00:28:06,289 --> 00:28:04,799
what they would call Juice something

728
00:28:08,450 --> 00:28:06,299
like that you know back in the day

729
00:28:10,010 --> 00:28:08,460
people used to juice shows and they I'm

730
00:28:11,390 --> 00:28:10,020
sure that somebody show those people

731
00:28:14,990 --> 00:28:11,400
still do

732
00:28:16,370 --> 00:28:15,000
um but you know there's things a few

733
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,380
things in this show that make it unique

734
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:18,720
like Brandon has a lot to lose here

735
00:28:25,010 --> 00:28:22,320
nothing to gain like there's no bread as

736
00:28:27,890 --> 00:28:25,020
money is never gonna be coming from

737
00:28:28,970 --> 00:28:27,900
owning Skinwalker Ranch to be more money

738
00:28:30,529 --> 00:28:28,980
than

739
00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:30,539
you know he's ever gonna make for TV

740
00:28:33,409 --> 00:28:32,220
he's already made so there's no benefit

741
00:28:34,190 --> 00:28:33,419
to that

742
00:28:35,870 --> 00:28:34,200
um

743
00:28:38,090 --> 00:28:35,880
so he has everything to lose like this

744
00:28:40,909 --> 00:28:38,100
is a professionally expensive move for

745
00:28:42,649 --> 00:28:40,919
him to do this uh so you can't you could

746
00:28:44,210 --> 00:28:42,659
never have like things being created or

747
00:28:46,430 --> 00:28:44,220
falsified or anything like that like set

748
00:28:48,169 --> 00:28:46,440
up but the experiments help Drive the

749
00:28:50,570 --> 00:28:48,179
action then the results are where you

750
00:28:52,850 --> 00:28:50,580
know where the unknown happens right so

751
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,860
as you're doing things it's like what's

752
00:28:56,810 --> 00:28:54,480
the response

753
00:28:58,730 --> 00:28:56,820
um and so you can script out the idea of

754
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:58,740
we're going to run this experience I

755
00:29:01,370 --> 00:28:59,760
don't even know like I'm not part of

756
00:29:02,570 --> 00:29:01,380
that part of that creation like I was

757
00:29:04,909 --> 00:29:02,580
talking with Eric yesterday asking him

758
00:29:06,409 --> 00:29:04,919
like are you the this upcoming drone

759
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,419
experiment yeah I still want to know the

760
00:29:10,130 --> 00:29:08,640
origin I was like was that you or was it

761
00:29:11,450 --> 00:29:10,140
one of the production guys

762
00:29:13,789 --> 00:29:11,460
um and he's like well no we kind of you

763
00:29:16,250 --> 00:29:13,799
know put together

764
00:29:18,169 --> 00:29:16,260
um talk about more experiments now like

765
00:29:20,029 --> 00:29:18,179
you know

766
00:29:22,669 --> 00:29:20,039
um like what other things that can be

767
00:29:25,490 --> 00:29:22,679
done in your future State uh you know if

768
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:25,500
we're lucky enough to get there uh but

769
00:29:31,010 --> 00:29:27,840
you know that I would say though that

770
00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:31,020
would be a challenge there's never been

771
00:29:35,210 --> 00:29:32,580
I would think that would be a challenge

772
00:29:37,130 --> 00:29:35,220
if you are

773
00:29:38,930 --> 00:29:37,140
doing some kind of

774
00:29:40,970 --> 00:29:38,940
show about paranormal and without

775
00:29:43,370 --> 00:29:40,980
experiments like if the idea is

776
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,380
observate solely observation I'm going

777
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:45,120
to go here and see what happens

778
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:47,279
I can imagine that's gotta be

779
00:29:51,529 --> 00:29:48,720
that's rough like you're shooting

780
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,539
already like you know uh I want to say

781
00:29:56,090 --> 00:29:53,520
it is

782
00:29:57,710 --> 00:29:56,100
10 10 hours a minute

783
00:29:58,850 --> 00:29:57,720
15 hours a minute something like that

784
00:30:00,529 --> 00:29:58,860
right now

785
00:30:03,289 --> 00:30:00,539
um so you're capturing you'd be happy

786
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:03,299
you have to capture way more uh without

787
00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:04,799
experiments so

788
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,840
yeah I can see the frustration if you

789
00:30:10,730 --> 00:30:08,399
didn't have the experiments to lean on

790
00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:10,740
it luckily I've never had to have bad

791
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:12,779
habit so

792
00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:15,120
the experiments are provocative and that

793
00:30:19,970 --> 00:30:17,700
elicits a response from the phenomenon

794
00:30:22,130 --> 00:30:19,980
and that just is gold because it's

795
00:30:23,810 --> 00:30:22,140
proven that if you provoke it it

796
00:30:26,690 --> 00:30:23,820
responds and then it's just a question

797
00:30:30,110 --> 00:30:26,700
of analyzing what that response is uh

798
00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:30,120
versus how you know uh the the um

799
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:32,220
the data surrounding what the

800
00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:33,840
provocation was they analyzed the

801
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,640
response and then they can see see what

802
00:30:40,909 --> 00:30:37,440
they can glean from it which is it's

803
00:30:43,070 --> 00:30:40,919
extremely perplexing uh Leah Prime

804
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:43,080
TJ you just teed me up beautifully for

805
00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:44,640
what I was going to ask

806
00:30:48,169 --> 00:30:46,020
um so I have a question about the data

807
00:30:49,850 --> 00:30:48,179
collection process on the show yeah this

808
00:30:51,049 --> 00:30:49,860
was this could have been scripted but it

809
00:30:53,149 --> 00:30:51,059
was not

810
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:53,159
um has there been any mention or studies

811
00:30:56,990 --> 00:30:54,960
conducted at the ranch that to your

812
00:31:01,130 --> 00:30:57,000
knowledge include the use of equipment

813
00:31:03,730 --> 00:31:01,140
to detect ionized or ionizing radiation

814
00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:03,740
would imagine so but I don't know

815
00:31:10,130 --> 00:31:07,260
technically uh

816
00:31:13,310 --> 00:31:10,140
Eric's not so much stuff going on there

817
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,320
it's insane I mean

818
00:31:18,490 --> 00:31:15,840
it what's funny is anything you can

819
00:31:21,289 --> 00:31:18,500
think of he's already done

820
00:31:22,730 --> 00:31:21,299
it's almost it's almost frustrating

821
00:31:25,610 --> 00:31:22,740
because you think you have a

822
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:25,620
revolutionary idea dude you gotta do

823
00:31:30,350 --> 00:31:28,559
yeah I tried that you know you gotta try

824
00:31:32,930 --> 00:31:30,360
no but there's this great new tool no I

825
00:31:36,169 --> 00:31:32,940
built my own like no but

826
00:31:37,850 --> 00:31:36,179
no like he's always steps ahead steps

827
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,860
ahead and everything

828
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:39,360
um I love them for it man but that's

829
00:31:43,370 --> 00:31:41,580
what he does but yeah I would imagine so

830
00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:43,380
but I wouldn't I can't I wish I could

831
00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:45,000
validate that for you were verified but

832
00:31:47,810 --> 00:31:46,740
I just don't know

833
00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:47,820
um

834
00:31:52,730 --> 00:31:50,340
yeah but you know the the data's the

835
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:52,740
expensive stuff man that's that's the

836
00:31:57,769 --> 00:31:55,200
you know that's the the money

837
00:31:59,930 --> 00:31:57,779
um you know that's I think that is

838
00:32:02,330 --> 00:31:59,940
becoming more controversial now people

839
00:32:04,669 --> 00:32:02,340
want stuff at least and in the world of

840
00:32:06,250 --> 00:32:04,679
AI no uh

841
00:32:09,289 --> 00:32:06,260
do another

842
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:09,299
dissent into madness

843
00:32:13,010 --> 00:32:10,559
so

844
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:13,020
I'm gonna cautiously say TJ that I'm

845
00:32:18,169 --> 00:32:14,880
pretty sure that I heard Eric mentioned

846
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:18,179
uh measuring radiation levels uh I I

847
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:20,880
don't know about ionized that part yeah

848
00:32:26,510 --> 00:32:23,279
I know that there's radiation yeah

849
00:32:27,710 --> 00:32:26,520
yeah I I don't know about ionized I

850
00:32:30,350 --> 00:32:27,720
don't even know what ionized radiation

851
00:32:31,789 --> 00:32:30,360
is I know that's why we hire Leah

852
00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:31,799
because we don't know either because you

853
00:32:38,029 --> 00:32:35,700
know that's what we but I was gonna uh

854
00:32:41,870 --> 00:32:38,039
mention that uh if you listen to that

855
00:32:43,730 --> 00:32:41,880
UFO podcast with Andy mcgrillin uh Eric

856
00:32:47,090 --> 00:32:43,740
went on there and he asked him if he had

857
00:32:48,889 --> 00:32:47,100
an unlimited budget what type of uh an

858
00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:48,899
experiment would he run and he talked

859
00:32:52,250 --> 00:32:50,220
about

860
00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:52,260
um setting up an array and you'll

861
00:32:56,690 --> 00:32:54,360
forgive me that I'm not a scientist that

862
00:32:59,570 --> 00:32:56,700
would cover a large swath of the area

863
00:33:02,510 --> 00:32:59,580
that he wants to look at but each they

864
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:02,520
would each sensor would be gathering and

865
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:04,799
interpreting data independent of the

866
00:33:10,430 --> 00:33:07,679
others so if something moved across that

867
00:33:12,649 --> 00:33:10,440
array it wouldn't it couldn't be tricked

868
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:12,659
into passing one piece of information

869
00:33:16,909 --> 00:33:15,120
throughout the array that all those

870
00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:16,919
different sensors within there would be

871
00:33:20,690 --> 00:33:18,360
gathering and then they could make a

872
00:33:22,610 --> 00:33:20,700
comparison so I thought that was and see

873
00:33:24,289 --> 00:33:22,620
if there's any changes so that was

874
00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:24,299
interesting I'm not answering it as well

875
00:33:28,610 --> 00:33:27,240
as Eric did but that's my Nathan is that

876
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,620
basically what he said

877
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:30,720
yeah I think you're spot on I'd love to

878
00:33:35,570 --> 00:33:32,820
see that experiment yeah he was like

879
00:33:37,009 --> 00:33:35,580
yeah because Andy said if you had 500

880
00:33:40,130 --> 00:33:37,019
million dollars you know he threw out a

881
00:33:42,649 --> 00:33:40,140
number that basically unlimited budget

882
00:33:45,009 --> 00:33:42,659
um so also I want to say hello to uh

883
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,019
jewelry

884
00:33:50,450 --> 00:33:47,279
Julie's in the chat hi Julie thank you

885
00:33:52,850 --> 00:33:50,460
very much for uh hosting everybody uh

886
00:33:57,409 --> 00:33:52,860
that is the uh handsome TJ Allard there

887
00:34:00,769 --> 00:33:57,419
and um TJ let's let's launch launch into

888
00:34:03,230 --> 00:34:00,779
the uh fireside chat and

889
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:03,240
um I'd like to do you want to start off

890
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:04,799
or would you like one of the cabbies no

891
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:06,240
what do you guys prime the pump I would

892
00:34:08,930 --> 00:34:07,200
love I would love to have you probably

893
00:34:11,329 --> 00:34:08,940
bump and let me hear how this goes

894
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,339
Nathan do you want I I can go first if

895
00:34:16,369 --> 00:34:13,280
you uh with mine

896
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:16,379
it's really germane to the ranch and um

897
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,000
there's the fire you see the fire the

898
00:34:22,849 --> 00:34:20,159
camera

899
00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:22,859
hopefully TJ got some s'mores and some

900
00:34:27,070 --> 00:34:25,740
marshmallows uh and we are gonna have a

901
00:34:29,389 --> 00:34:27,080
capture

902
00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:29,399
it's definitely we gotta have a keg it's

903
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,320
New York uh it doesn't matter how cold

904
00:34:36,109 --> 00:34:33,599
it is uh and yeah we are gonna have a

905
00:34:37,550 --> 00:34:36,119
cab summer party uh where it's going to

906
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:37,560
be like the holiday party but we're

907
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:39,839
going to be talking about barbecue and

908
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:42,000
potato chips and we'll probably before

909
00:34:45,470 --> 00:34:43,919
the end of the show we'll ask TJ about

910
00:34:46,609 --> 00:34:45,480
his favorite potato chips so you can

911
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:46,619
kind of get that in the back of your

912
00:34:49,369 --> 00:34:47,760
brain

913
00:34:53,329 --> 00:34:49,379
um but anyway

914
00:34:56,930 --> 00:34:53,339
um so the idea of portals TJ

915
00:34:59,810 --> 00:34:56,940
um and and crew cabbies

916
00:35:01,370 --> 00:34:59,820
so it's very germane to what goes on on

917
00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:01,380
the ranch

918
00:35:06,890 --> 00:35:04,980
um Matt is you know had on uh people on

919
00:35:09,470 --> 00:35:06,900
his show that are talking about portals

920
00:35:12,650 --> 00:35:09,480
uh the meadow project there in Alabama

921
00:35:15,650 --> 00:35:12,660
talked about a very professional group

922
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:15,660
of Bigfoot investigators uh unwittingly

923
00:35:20,810 --> 00:35:18,480
encountered a portal whereby when they

924
00:35:23,329 --> 00:35:20,820
were looking at them on therm and

925
00:35:26,810 --> 00:35:23,339
watching you had three teams and when

926
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,820
they were watching Team two on thermal

927
00:35:30,109 --> 00:35:28,800
they walked into they said we see a

928
00:35:32,270 --> 00:35:30,119
portal it's in front of you guys keep

929
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:32,280
moving keep moving and they disappeared

930
00:35:38,210 --> 00:35:36,480
uh from view so the idea of portals what

931
00:35:41,569 --> 00:35:38,220
I want to ask the team here and I'll

932
00:35:46,370 --> 00:35:41,579
start with Nathan first is

933
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:46,380
if if dogmen and these other entities uh

934
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:48,079
entities that are appearing on the ranch

935
00:35:53,810 --> 00:35:50,880
uh whether some people believe Bigfoot

936
00:35:58,670 --> 00:35:53,820
uses them other Cryptids

937
00:36:04,430 --> 00:35:58,680
what is the process by which a portal is

938
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:04,440
opened what are the mechanics how who if

939
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:07,440
anyone decides that that portal should

940
00:36:13,370 --> 00:36:10,640
be open so that that particular entity

941
00:36:16,130 --> 00:36:13,380
can walk through it and appear in our

942
00:36:17,450 --> 00:36:16,140
reality how do you suppose that that

943
00:36:18,829 --> 00:36:17,460
happens would you like to throw

944
00:36:20,329 --> 00:36:18,839
something out there

945
00:36:22,910 --> 00:36:20,339
wow

946
00:36:25,490 --> 00:36:22,920
um I didn't know where to start

947
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:25,500
um yeah that's a big one right uh yeah

948
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:27,119
well you know they they've hinted at

949
00:36:30,650 --> 00:36:28,800
this on the show right they've hinted

950
00:36:32,210 --> 00:36:30,660
that there's been uh it's a speculation

951
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:32,220
right that there's some kind of portal

952
00:36:38,270 --> 00:36:35,040
above the ranch uh of course we've heard

953
00:36:40,190 --> 00:36:38,280
mention of the portal on the ranch

954
00:36:42,589 --> 00:36:40,200
um as far as like the mechanism by which

955
00:36:44,770 --> 00:36:42,599
one appears I mean I think we would have

956
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:44,780
to understand

957
00:36:49,730 --> 00:36:47,520
I mean we we don't our portal science

958
00:36:52,849 --> 00:36:49,740
put it this way our portal science is

959
00:36:55,970 --> 00:36:52,859
not exactly great uh so you know we've

960
00:36:57,410 --> 00:36:55,980
got theoretical things like wormholes uh

961
00:37:00,770 --> 00:36:57,420
you know so the same things that

962
00:37:02,569 --> 00:37:00,780
Traverse space and time uh through a

963
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:02,579
wormhole that requires at least from

964
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,400
understanding a ton of energy uh and

965
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:07,440
that they're very unstable too from what

966
00:37:12,650 --> 00:37:10,079
we understand uh so maybe it's something

967
00:37:14,690 --> 00:37:12,660
like that but uh I don't know I mean I

968
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,700
you know is there is there a connection

969
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:16,560
to Consciousness is there connection to

970
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,160
the people who are there uh in a sort of

971
00:37:26,690 --> 00:37:22,800
in a way kind of manifesting that

972
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:26,700
experience to happen uh I I don't know

973
00:37:30,770 --> 00:37:28,320
um interesting you know I reminded too

974
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:30,780
of that uh was it season one uh TJ or

975
00:37:35,810 --> 00:37:33,119
two where they brought the rabbi on and

976
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:35,820
he was kind of doing his uh you know

977
00:37:40,370 --> 00:37:38,160
sort of ceremony and while he was doing

978
00:37:43,069 --> 00:37:40,380
that they were I think like they had uh

979
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:43,079
Homestead 2 on thermal and there was

980
00:37:47,870 --> 00:37:46,320
like a a cold anomaly that began

981
00:37:51,050 --> 00:37:47,880
appearing

982
00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:51,060
on Homestead too during this essentially

983
00:37:56,569 --> 00:37:53,700
was a prayer ceremony

984
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:56,579
um so that was quite odd and it kind of

985
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:58,320
for me as a viewer I was like well where

986
00:38:02,089 --> 00:37:59,760
are we going from here like what what

987
00:38:03,410 --> 00:38:02,099
does that mean that tends to be the case

988
00:38:05,450 --> 00:38:03,420
though with a lot of these experiments

989
00:38:07,130 --> 00:38:05,460
right they kind of they only end up

990
00:38:10,010 --> 00:38:07,140
raising more questions than than

991
00:38:15,470 --> 00:38:12,170
I I thought it was three I don't know

992
00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:15,480
yeah there you go because Jonathan was

993
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:17,220
on that same one we ended up getting

994
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:18,960
Jonathan Dover whom you had on the show

995
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,599
we've finally got him on and Stan his

996
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:24,240
partner from the Navajo Rangers and that

997
00:38:29,690 --> 00:38:27,119
was uh I used the word phenomenal but it

998
00:38:32,990 --> 00:38:29,700
was his great episode

999
00:38:36,050 --> 00:38:33,000
um Matt so you know these folks that see

1000
00:38:38,569 --> 00:38:36,060
these uh you know dog man I you know a

1001
00:38:40,490 --> 00:38:38,579
lot of people believe that that creature

1002
00:38:43,609 --> 00:38:40,500
is moving through a portal does it

1003
00:38:46,609 --> 00:38:43,619
decide to open this up this venue and

1004
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:46,619
let itself in uh who do you suppose uh

1005
00:38:52,849 --> 00:38:49,440
is the origin of of allowing something

1006
00:38:54,890 --> 00:38:52,859
can can an entity decide that it wants

1007
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,900
to appear and it happens or is there

1008
00:38:58,730 --> 00:38:56,640
someone else that's con pulling that

1009
00:39:01,310 --> 00:38:58,740
switch is there a TJ Allard back there

1010
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:01,320
that's opening that portal

1011
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:06,240
yeah a simple answer I have no idea

1012
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:08,880
I mean because

1013
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:11,280
you know I if something

1014
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:14,160
had the conscious ability to do that

1015
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:15,839
then

1016
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:18,240
I mean what are they God you know are

1017
00:39:22,130 --> 00:39:19,920
are they a type of God they're they're

1018
00:39:24,290 --> 00:39:22,140
something beyond our understanding of

1019
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:24,300
you know science for sure

1020
00:39:30,849 --> 00:39:27,200
uh and then if it does just happen

1021
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:30,859
somewhat randomly or by some other

1022
00:39:36,349 --> 00:39:34,079
methods whether it be a certain type of

1023
00:39:39,530 --> 00:39:36,359
geography or something going on that we

1024
00:39:42,349 --> 00:39:39,540
don't know about or don't uh pick up on

1025
00:39:44,210 --> 00:39:42,359
at the time are these uh beings just in

1026
00:39:47,390 --> 00:39:44,220
the right place at the right time

1027
00:39:50,569 --> 00:39:47,400
uh the odds of that seem very unlikely

1028
00:39:52,910 --> 00:39:50,579
as well or is it a combination of things

1029
00:39:54,050 --> 00:39:52,920
you know right thing in the right place

1030
00:39:55,069 --> 00:39:54,060
at the right time with the right

1031
00:39:59,569 --> 00:39:55,079
abilities

1032
00:40:01,370 --> 00:39:59,579
uh is it you know String Theory uh you

1033
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:01,380
know entanglement where we're just happy

1034
00:40:06,050 --> 00:40:04,079
to be overlapping at the right point in

1035
00:40:09,410 --> 00:40:06,060
time for that Dimension to cross over to

1036
00:40:12,050 --> 00:40:09,420
this one but then why can't we cross

1037
00:40:15,170 --> 00:40:12,060
over as well why doesn't it it's not a

1038
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:15,180
two-way street it doesn't seem uh unless

1039
00:40:21,470 --> 00:40:17,359
you're one of these creatures apparently

1040
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,480
but then you know I've heard uh some

1041
00:40:26,569 --> 00:40:23,760
pretty crazy stuff out there there's a a

1042
00:40:29,390 --> 00:40:26,579
gentleman uh Dr Matthew Johnson who had

1043
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:29,400
a Big Foot encounter uh

1044
00:40:35,390 --> 00:40:32,640
and his views of Bigfoot drastically

1045
00:40:37,849 --> 00:40:35,400
changed from where they began and he

1046
00:40:41,569 --> 00:40:37,859
claims that he has the ability to open

1047
00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:41,579
portals and uh he just uses a red

1048
00:40:46,730 --> 00:40:45,180
flashlight so I mean I don't know I

1049
00:40:49,310 --> 00:40:46,740
don't know

1050
00:40:52,849 --> 00:40:49,320
I I did have a theory uh whenever I was

1051
00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:52,859
about 12. uh how people uh come across

1052
00:40:58,190 --> 00:40:55,380
these cold spots in haunting haunting

1053
00:40:59,870 --> 00:40:58,200
cases and the thought that I came up

1054
00:41:02,089 --> 00:40:59,880
with then was that those were the

1055
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,099
spirits actually drawing energy from the

1056
00:41:07,069 --> 00:41:03,920
area to manifest

1057
00:41:08,329 --> 00:41:07,079
and the drawing of that energy created a

1058
00:41:10,970 --> 00:41:08,339
vacuum and that's what we were feeling

1059
00:41:14,930 --> 00:41:10,980
as a change in temperature drop uh you

1060
00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:14,940
know getting colder but was it a portal

1061
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:18,420
opening uh into the plane where the the

1062
00:41:21,710 --> 00:41:19,920
spirits or whatever you want to call

1063
00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:21,720
them could cross over and that's the

1064
00:41:25,790 --> 00:41:23,700
cold spots that we feel because a lot of

1065
00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:25,800
these uh situations that you spoke of

1066
00:41:29,650 --> 00:41:27,900
earlier where they're observing through

1067
00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:29,660
some sort of you know thermal device

1068
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:32,040
they see these portals as a cold

1069
00:41:37,730 --> 00:41:35,280
register and not a warm register which I

1070
00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:37,740
find that kind of interesting

1071
00:41:41,810 --> 00:41:40,200
that that goes with your theory so you

1072
00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:41,820
started out with I have no idea and then

1073
00:41:46,730 --> 00:41:43,260
prevented it presented an excellent

1074
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,740
hypothesis well I don't know right I

1075
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,480
certainly don't know well none of us

1076
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,920
know but that's what we're doing that's

1077
00:41:54,170 --> 00:41:51,599
why we're here is to kick it around no

1078
00:41:56,510 --> 00:41:54,180
obviously none of us know and we we will

1079
00:41:58,010 --> 00:41:56,520
get to Nathan please remind me for the

1080
00:42:00,770 --> 00:41:58,020
end of show we'll get to with TJ about

1081
00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:00,780
uh Chris blett so I'm sure he's familiar

1082
00:42:04,849 --> 00:42:02,760
with him but if you're talking to him

1083
00:42:07,010 --> 00:42:04,859
next night okay oh all right well then

1084
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,020
we will we will get to it after we're

1085
00:42:12,650 --> 00:42:09,839
done with the Firestone I talked last

1086
00:42:13,730 --> 00:42:12,660
night I talked yeah we will get to that

1087
00:42:15,010 --> 00:42:13,740
because I'm going to want to hear about

1088
00:42:17,329 --> 00:42:15,020
that because

1089
00:42:19,490 --> 00:42:17,339
the kind of entertainment you're talking

1090
00:42:21,770 --> 00:42:19,500
about I mean his story is one I would

1091
00:42:24,829 --> 00:42:21,780
want to present but Leah Prime so

1092
00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:24,839
Nathan's hypothesis is interesting is

1093
00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:27,720
that person manifesting the portal is it

1094
00:42:31,069 --> 00:42:29,700
the entity walking through the portal

1095
00:42:33,050 --> 00:42:31,079
that

1096
00:42:35,870 --> 00:42:33,060
um Engineers it's it's it's its opening

1097
00:42:37,310 --> 00:42:35,880
uh like Matt uh or what Matt said which

1098
00:42:40,010 --> 00:42:37,320
is a tangent thereof what is your

1099
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,020
thoughts about that these portals yeah

1100
00:42:46,910 --> 00:42:44,630
um and I always try to lay this out

1101
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:46,920
whenever I talk about this kind of

1102
00:42:51,470 --> 00:42:50,160
mysterious or numinous topics which is

1103
00:42:53,089 --> 00:42:51,480
that I think are Frameworks for

1104
00:42:55,970 --> 00:42:53,099
instrumenting measuring and assessing

1105
00:42:59,690 --> 00:42:55,980
these events are very very limited

1106
00:43:01,790 --> 00:42:59,700
um and uh my my secondary comment here

1107
00:43:04,010 --> 00:43:01,800
is that there's basically a long story

1108
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:04,020
tradition of rituals and behaviors to

1109
00:43:09,410 --> 00:43:06,960
deliberately induce these liminal spaces

1110
00:43:11,870 --> 00:43:09,420
and experiences which largely defy the

1111
00:43:13,790 --> 00:43:11,880
Western Material tradition including

1112
00:43:15,050 --> 00:43:13,800
summoning entities right like in I guess

1113
00:43:17,450 --> 00:43:15,060
in the western tradition we have people

1114
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:17,460
like John D and Enoki and Magic but we

1115
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,720
also have things like topos and

1116
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,640
egregor's so when we're talking about

1117
00:43:25,370 --> 00:43:22,560
portals and dogmen to me that feels like

1118
00:43:27,170 --> 00:43:25,380
it's really just uh in a lot of respects

1119
00:43:30,170 --> 00:43:27,180
um we're still singing from the same

1120
00:43:32,030 --> 00:43:30,180
song sheet in terms of uh traditions and

1121
00:43:33,770 --> 00:43:32,040
rituals that have been with Humanity for

1122
00:43:36,170 --> 00:43:33,780
a very very long time

1123
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:36,180
um but even now we see conversations uh

1124
00:43:38,990 --> 00:43:37,380
I'm going to bring it up in the

1125
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:39,000
Psychedelic Community uh Andrew

1126
00:43:42,170 --> 00:43:40,800
Gallimore for instance theorizes that

1127
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:42,180
DMT entities are actually

1128
00:43:45,530 --> 00:43:43,920
hyperdimensional beings that can be

1129
00:43:48,050 --> 00:43:45,540
deliberately interacted with during a

1130
00:43:49,849 --> 00:43:48,060
breakthrough experience and so I say all

1131
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:49,859
of this to say I don't have a great

1132
00:43:55,730 --> 00:43:52,800
answer but um like with a lot of

1133
00:43:57,770 --> 00:43:55,740
subjects in this space for me I tend to

1134
00:44:00,290 --> 00:43:57,780
analogize them to other Traditions like

1135
00:44:01,970 --> 00:44:00,300
either psychospiritual ritual esoteric

1136
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:01,980
and occult Traditions

1137
00:44:08,690 --> 00:44:04,560
um that have been more or less not only

1138
00:44:10,849 --> 00:44:08,700
participated in but um consistently uh

1139
00:44:14,510 --> 00:44:10,859
participated and experienced in by

1140
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:14,520
people across all times and cultures

1141
00:44:21,950 --> 00:44:18,480
okay but no hypothesis on what makes it

1142
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:21,960
come about if it's if it's a derivative

1143
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,720
of something that's in our reality or if

1144
00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:26,640
it's something in another reality that

1145
00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:29,160
has decided that that it wants to open a

1146
00:44:43,790 --> 00:44:41,930
absolutely just an artifact of like

1147
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:43,800
Electro conductive response to our brain

1148
00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:45,240
like our brain doesn't actually interact

1149
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,900
with our environment and so um if if

1150
00:44:53,210 --> 00:44:50,640
pressed to answer my thought would be

1151
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,220
that there are different kinds of

1152
00:44:56,349 --> 00:44:55,440
realities that can be

1153
00:44:58,730 --> 00:44:56,359
um

1154
00:45:02,089 --> 00:44:58,740
experienced either intentionally or

1155
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:02,099
deliberately cultivated or even

1156
00:45:06,349 --> 00:45:04,079
um stochastically like they can just

1157
00:45:08,809 --> 00:45:06,359
happen uh based on particular

1158
00:45:10,730 --> 00:45:08,819
environmental or psychospiritual

1159
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:10,740
activities

1160
00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:13,200
so right place right time could could be

1161
00:45:19,069 --> 00:45:17,160
it for that okay uh Deb so we we got to

1162
00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:19,079
move through these because this one this

1163
00:45:23,809 --> 00:45:21,300
one actually was a a bit of a twister

1164
00:45:25,370 --> 00:45:23,819
and we hadn't gotten a TJ yet on to to

1165
00:45:27,410 --> 00:45:25,380
speak to this one so Deb would you like

1166
00:45:28,670 --> 00:45:27,420
to offer up something on Portals and by

1167
00:45:31,609 --> 00:45:28,680
the way you're welcome it's so great to

1168
00:45:33,050 --> 00:45:31,619
have you apparently that's right I just

1169
00:45:35,470 --> 00:45:33,060
wanted to thank Leah for joining us so

1170
00:45:37,329 --> 00:45:35,480
she's got she's got a job okay

1171
00:45:39,710 --> 00:45:37,339
thank you

1172
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:39,720
it was a pleasure wonderful to see you

1173
00:45:44,329 --> 00:45:42,240
all I'll see you guys soon have a great

1174
00:45:45,950 --> 00:45:44,339
night thank you have a great night buddy

1175
00:45:48,410 --> 00:45:45,960
bye-bye

1176
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,420
by the way can you guys hear me yes

1177
00:45:54,050 --> 00:45:50,880
ma'am okay because I didn't get to do

1178
00:45:55,970 --> 00:45:54,060
soundtrack sorry I'm late I'm good I had

1179
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:55,980
this new idea

1180
00:46:00,410 --> 00:45:57,599
um recently that I think I may have

1181
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:00,420
thrown out to the world what if it's not

1182
00:46:05,690 --> 00:46:02,880
about portals but things changing in

1183
00:46:10,849 --> 00:46:05,700
size going from very small to very large

1184
00:46:17,690 --> 00:46:13,550
I mean everything's on the table

1185
00:46:19,550 --> 00:46:17,700
so it it's possible it's just the

1186
00:46:21,470 --> 00:46:19,560
question was sort of like is it

1187
00:46:24,109 --> 00:46:21,480
manifested by something it's in another

1188
00:46:28,730 --> 00:46:24,119
reality wanting to enter and if there's

1189
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:28,740
a process or as Nathan was able to put a

1190
00:46:33,290 --> 00:46:30,480
counter on that is it something that

1191
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,300
somebody is going in the woods wanting

1192
00:46:37,609 --> 00:46:35,760
going to a place that has a significant

1193
00:46:39,170 --> 00:46:37,619
amount of energy like the Land Between

1194
00:46:41,630 --> 00:46:39,180
the Lakes in Kentucky I don't know if

1195
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:41,640
TJ's familiar with that area and is

1196
00:46:47,870 --> 00:46:45,599
manifesting that portal to open you know

1197
00:46:49,490 --> 00:46:47,880
so uh that was sort of where I was going

1198
00:46:53,690 --> 00:46:49,500
with it

1199
00:46:55,970 --> 00:46:53,700
um but um let's get to uh

1200
00:46:58,609 --> 00:46:55,980
TJ what what is your thoughts on that

1201
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:00,589
uh oh Post-it note

1202
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,359
okay so I I live on Post-it notes but

1203
00:47:07,069 --> 00:47:05,040
I've been taking you bringing up a bunch

1204
00:47:10,490 --> 00:47:07,079
of things tonight I'm writing down to

1205
00:47:12,650 --> 00:47:10,500
your notes oh good that's good A little

1206
00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:12,660
Post-it spin if you can see my

1207
00:47:17,089 --> 00:47:15,180
flurry of Post-its uh

1208
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:17,099
so

1209
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:21,839
I'm very serious right and I'm trying to

1210
00:47:25,849 --> 00:47:24,480
keep right ideas

1211
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:25,859
um

1212
00:47:32,210 --> 00:47:28,800
hi okay so a couple things

1213
00:47:34,190 --> 00:47:32,220
so the work portal or Vortex

1214
00:47:36,770 --> 00:47:34,200
um still carries a connotation to it

1215
00:47:39,470 --> 00:47:36,780
that it's woo right it's still the woo

1216
00:47:40,849 --> 00:47:39,480
part that it's hard to get over it's

1217
00:47:42,589 --> 00:47:40,859
hard to get past

1218
00:47:43,790 --> 00:47:42,599
um there has to be we have to deal with

1219
00:47:45,650 --> 00:47:43,800
a better name it has to have a better

1220
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:45,660
name that can ever be taken seriously as

1221
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,480
a thing like as a as a definition a

1222
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:50,880
scientific definition of something

1223
00:47:55,550 --> 00:47:53,280
um this is my opinion this is the way I

1224
00:47:57,410 --> 00:47:55,560
just uh this is how I I see it because I

1225
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:57,420
feel like

1226
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,040
you hear those things and they bring up

1227
00:48:03,710 --> 00:48:01,200
preconceived notion of

1228
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:03,720
portal meaning Transportation portal or

1229
00:48:08,569 --> 00:48:06,720
Vortex meaning this that like that may

1230
00:48:14,270 --> 00:48:08,579
may not be

1231
00:48:15,530 --> 00:48:14,280
so my experience with it at the ranch in

1232
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:15,540
particular and I didn't even know was a

1233
00:48:19,069 --> 00:48:16,800
thing and I had no clue what I was

1234
00:48:20,750 --> 00:48:19,079
experiencing

1235
00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:20,760
um one night late night I'm out the

1236
00:48:27,050 --> 00:48:23,940
ridge uh Eric's a command center I'm on

1237
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,060
a bridge with a few people and uh

1238
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:29,280
start smelling sulfur

1239
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:31,200
and it's like what the hell is this

1240
00:48:35,210 --> 00:48:32,880
other still suffering here this should

1241
00:48:36,829 --> 00:48:35,220
be no sulfur smell and Eric is

1242
00:48:39,410 --> 00:48:36,839
immediately it's like oh that

1243
00:48:41,150 --> 00:48:39,420
that means it's something something just

1244
00:48:43,849 --> 00:48:41,160
disappeared

1245
00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:43,859
um and so from what I understand of of

1246
00:48:48,050 --> 00:48:45,900
my experience and you know the

1247
00:48:50,690 --> 00:48:48,060
explanation was going to be like

1248
00:48:52,910 --> 00:48:50,700
that that dissipation of something

1249
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:52,920
produces the smell

1250
00:48:59,210 --> 00:48:55,680
um whether and so to me the idea of how

1251
00:49:00,530 --> 00:48:59,220
how it be it does or doesn't manifest is

1252
00:49:02,510 --> 00:49:00,540
it like a tree in the woods if it falls

1253
00:49:04,250 --> 00:49:02,520
you know in order to see it does it

1254
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:04,260
exist like

1255
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:06,960
if we were on the ridge that day or that

1256
00:49:11,690 --> 00:49:09,359
night would that have still happened is

1257
00:49:14,450 --> 00:49:11,700
it like an atmosphere burp so to speak

1258
00:49:16,010 --> 00:49:14,460
like like a dissipation of energy

1259
00:49:17,210 --> 00:49:16,020
um in anticipation of energy is just a

1260
00:49:19,609 --> 00:49:17,220
natural occurrence and if these natural

1261
00:49:22,010 --> 00:49:19,619
occurrences just like any natural

1262
00:49:23,809 --> 00:49:22,020
occurrence right there are there are

1263
00:49:27,230 --> 00:49:23,819
environmental factors that make them

1264
00:49:28,970 --> 00:49:27,240
happen more in one place than another

1265
00:49:30,829 --> 00:49:28,980
the ranch may be one of these places

1266
00:49:33,710 --> 00:49:30,839
where these natural occurrences happen

1267
00:49:35,930 --> 00:49:33,720
now what comes through or doesn't come

1268
00:49:37,970 --> 00:49:35,940
through a portal I don't know if that's

1269
00:49:40,849 --> 00:49:37,980
even the right term like going through

1270
00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:40,859
or coming through if it's manifesting or

1271
00:49:44,809 --> 00:49:43,140
dissipating in what you're calling your

1272
00:49:47,210 --> 00:49:44,819
space your reality what's in front of

1273
00:49:49,550 --> 00:49:47,220
you is that transporting I I don't know

1274
00:49:51,470 --> 00:49:49,560
it's like to me it's

1275
00:49:54,170 --> 00:49:51,480
there's just too many

1276
00:49:57,230 --> 00:49:54,180
the problem is the words it's the words

1277
00:49:58,670 --> 00:49:57,240
to get in the way uh because it's you

1278
00:49:59,630 --> 00:49:58,680
know people think Florida oh I'm gonna

1279
00:50:00,650 --> 00:49:59,640
walk through something and appear

1280
00:50:02,450 --> 00:50:00,660
somewhere else

1281
00:50:04,430 --> 00:50:02,460
when I'm trying to

1282
00:50:06,290 --> 00:50:04,440
verbalize I guess is like maybe it's not

1283
00:50:08,990 --> 00:50:06,300
that maybe it is the

1284
00:50:11,089 --> 00:50:09,000
it's the EBV it's just natural and that

1285
00:50:13,069 --> 00:50:11,099
all of these things this is what I I

1286
00:50:14,210 --> 00:50:13,079
struggle with a lot like yeah we talk

1287
00:50:17,050 --> 00:50:14,220
about these things it's supernatural

1288
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:17,060
there's no super about it it's natural

1289
00:50:22,010 --> 00:50:20,160
it's all natural there's no super part

1290
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,020
of anything it's all natural and it's

1291
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:24,480
just so rare that we don't think of it

1292
00:50:28,370 --> 00:50:25,920
or seed all the time and so people are

1293
00:50:30,910 --> 00:50:28,380
like oh it's super paranormal no no it's

1294
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:30,920
normal it's para shouldn't mean

1295
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:33,839
different like whatever the connotation

1296
00:50:38,809 --> 00:50:36,480
is it should just mean very very rare or

1297
00:50:41,569 --> 00:50:38,819
very limited in scope of where it can

1298
00:50:44,109 --> 00:50:41,579
happen because what is not natural how

1299
00:50:46,550 --> 00:50:44,119
is something a phenomenon not natural

1300
00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:46,560
like you try to say like even if it's a

1301
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,180
human created it's still a natural thing

1302
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:50,640
a human is a natural thing like it's it

1303
00:50:54,349 --> 00:50:52,380
because it borders on the thing of magic

1304
00:50:55,309 --> 00:50:54,359
and even that like that's where I get

1305
00:50:57,410 --> 00:50:55,319
lost

1306
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:57,420
um I don't know I just think that it is

1307
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:59,280
all of us portals I feel like they're

1308
00:51:02,510 --> 00:51:00,960
Mana as a natural I think it's all just

1309
00:51:05,329 --> 00:51:02,520
nature it's all nature that we just

1310
00:51:08,990 --> 00:51:05,339
don't understand whether people can go

1311
00:51:10,970 --> 00:51:09,000
from 1.8 point B in it I don't know

1312
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:10,980
um that could be just a different name

1313
00:51:15,410 --> 00:51:13,680
because right here the the like you said

1314
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,420
nature that could be a different name

1315
00:51:21,170 --> 00:51:17,760
for something that like you said it

1316
00:51:23,569 --> 00:51:21,180
could occur naturally but it's not the I

1317
00:51:25,849 --> 00:51:23,579
think paranormal it says here beyond the

1318
00:51:30,530 --> 00:51:25,859
scope of normal scientific understanding

1319
00:51:33,410 --> 00:51:30,540
so perhaps it is abnormal enough so even

1320
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:33,420
if even if we just accept at face value

1321
00:51:38,690 --> 00:51:36,240
what you said that it's natural and it

1322
00:51:42,530 --> 00:51:38,700
and in this particular space it may be

1323
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:42,540
more prone to occur there it's beyond

1324
00:51:50,809 --> 00:51:46,319
normal so like in your walk up your

1325
00:51:53,089 --> 00:51:50,819
Brownstone in you know Washington DC you

1326
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:53,099
know it's not normal to see some sort of

1327
00:51:57,890 --> 00:51:55,920
a dog man or something like come out but

1328
00:51:59,690 --> 00:51:57,900
maybe if that happened out at the ranch

1329
00:52:01,970 --> 00:51:59,700
it would be considered a little bit more

1330
00:52:03,790 --> 00:52:01,980
normal at this point so you know what I

1331
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:03,800
mean like it's we're playing

1332
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:06,720
understanding is the thing because yeah

1333
00:52:10,430 --> 00:52:08,880
you're assuming scientific understanding

1334
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:10,440
is in stone

1335
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:12,480
like scientific understanding evolves so

1336
00:52:15,049 --> 00:52:14,160
our scientific understanding today is

1337
00:52:17,329 --> 00:52:15,059
different than our scientific

1338
00:52:18,829 --> 00:52:17,339
understanding in 100 years so if we

1339
00:52:21,230 --> 00:52:18,839
don't understand it yet it doesn't mean

1340
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:21,240
that it's not science we just don't get

1341
00:52:25,970 --> 00:52:24,480
it sure yeah no there's no I don't I

1342
00:52:28,370 --> 00:52:25,980
don't disagree with you but I understand

1343
00:52:29,870 --> 00:52:28,380
as you said the words are getting in the

1344
00:52:32,270 --> 00:52:29,880
way and it makes it it makes it

1345
00:52:35,089 --> 00:52:32,280
difficult for people to digest

1346
00:52:37,470 --> 00:52:35,099
so uh but here's something that's not

1347
00:52:44,089 --> 00:52:37,480
difficult to digest it's money Nathan

1348
00:52:48,049 --> 00:52:46,250
I said that before I like it

1349
00:52:49,849 --> 00:52:48,059
um uh TJ all right so I know you've got

1350
00:52:51,530 --> 00:52:49,859
an interest in data I have an interest

1351
00:52:53,809 --> 00:52:51,540
in data um

1352
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:53,819
you've got a degree that you worked on

1353
00:52:57,530 --> 00:52:56,160
on in that field as well and you've

1354
00:53:00,829 --> 00:52:57,540
talked a little bit about AI of course

1355
00:53:03,290 --> 00:53:00,839
yeah it's pretty odd topic right now uh

1356
00:53:07,010 --> 00:53:03,300
where is that taking us in your opinion

1357
00:53:09,290 --> 00:53:07,020
in terms of our ability to study things

1358
00:53:11,809 --> 00:53:09,300
like this but also just in in your

1359
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:11,819
industry uh more broadly uh you know I'd

1360
00:53:16,430 --> 00:53:13,760
love to get your oh boy

1361
00:53:17,770 --> 00:53:16,440
here huh what what crazy roads we're

1362
00:53:21,650 --> 00:53:17,780
headed down here

1363
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:21,660
man I have been preaching this so oh my

1364
00:53:26,990 --> 00:53:24,720
God this is one of these wow so my quest

1365
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:27,000
my Fireside also touches on AI but what

1366
00:53:31,730 --> 00:53:30,000
you're just bringing out here

1367
00:53:35,809 --> 00:53:31,740
is

1368
00:53:38,809 --> 00:53:35,819
um

1369
00:53:41,690 --> 00:53:38,819
it is changing the game

1370
00:53:43,130 --> 00:53:41,700
so all right so my t-shirt for the last

1371
00:53:44,930 --> 00:53:43,140
20 years should have said whoever

1372
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:44,940
controls your pipeline controls your

1373
00:53:50,510 --> 00:53:48,480
world I've been saying this inside 1999.

1374
00:53:53,870 --> 00:53:50,520
and what I mean by that is whoever

1375
00:53:56,690 --> 00:53:53,880
provides you the service to consume

1376
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:56,700
uh excuse Zoom entertainment is the one

1377
00:54:01,370 --> 00:53:58,559
who shapes your reality

1378
00:54:03,470 --> 00:54:01,380
um and they will limit or you know right

1379
00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:03,480
now we're drinking from a fire hose

1380
00:54:07,970 --> 00:54:06,660
um but at a certain point uh it's just

1381
00:54:10,190 --> 00:54:07,980
like the just like the Colorado River

1382
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,200
it's all going to be disseminated in in

1383
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:12,240
parsed out

1384
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:13,920
um and you're going to have factions

1385
00:54:16,490 --> 00:54:15,119
you're going to have the Horizon you're

1386
00:54:19,309 --> 00:54:16,500
going to have the ATT you're going to

1387
00:54:20,930 --> 00:54:19,319
have time Warners and all of those will

1388
00:54:23,210 --> 00:54:20,940
have their own content which is why you

1389
00:54:26,450 --> 00:54:23,220
see that you you see these conglomerates

1390
00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:26,460
of Distributors by

1391
00:54:31,490 --> 00:54:29,460
catalogs so Comcast buying NDC was a

1392
00:54:32,990 --> 00:54:31,500
great one from years ago because Comcast

1393
00:54:35,690 --> 00:54:33,000
has a distribution Channel

1394
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:35,700
NBC is nothing more than content

1395
00:54:38,510 --> 00:54:37,200
um so that was the old model right so

1396
00:54:40,970 --> 00:54:38,520
you had the Distributors buying the

1397
00:54:41,870 --> 00:54:40,980
content now and I'll use YouTube as an

1398
00:54:45,710 --> 00:54:41,880
example

1399
00:54:48,349 --> 00:54:45,720
YouTube has all ends of the pipeline

1400
00:54:50,450 --> 00:54:48,359
they have the digital distribution they

1401
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,460
control uh the content creation they

1402
00:54:55,609 --> 00:54:52,319
control the advertising and control all

1403
00:54:58,329 --> 00:54:55,619
facets of it they are still limited by

1404
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:58,339
uh the the actual pipeline but I mean

1405
00:55:02,569 --> 00:55:00,720
there's probably where I'm sure Google

1406
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,579
has their Google fi or whatever you know

1407
00:55:06,349 --> 00:55:05,040
they'll get in there so AI comes into

1408
00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:06,359
play here

1409
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:08,940
because if you think about

1410
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:12,000
I say this because I my son

1411
00:55:15,950 --> 00:55:14,640
uh watches YouTube well not anymore I

1412
00:55:19,730 --> 00:55:15,960
pulled it away I'm done with the YouTube

1413
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:19,740
contents uh uh and it's hard it was a

1414
00:55:23,390 --> 00:55:22,559
very hard thing for me to do to end but

1415
00:55:25,849 --> 00:55:23,400
um

1416
00:55:27,290 --> 00:55:25,859
so YouTube you know how Video Killed the

1417
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:27,300
Radio Star well YouTube killed the

1418
00:55:32,109 --> 00:55:29,640
television producer uh and the reason

1419
00:55:35,210 --> 00:55:32,119
why is because

1420
00:55:37,010 --> 00:55:35,220
typically a distributor pays producers

1421
00:55:39,890 --> 00:55:37,020
production companies

1422
00:55:42,290 --> 00:55:39,900
um to make content well I used to have

1423
00:55:44,690 --> 00:55:42,300
this this brain tease I used to do when

1424
00:55:46,490 --> 00:55:44,700
I saw my friends all the time uh yeah

1425
00:55:48,349 --> 00:55:46,500
you know we've still they're figuring it

1426
00:55:50,990 --> 00:55:48,359
out well we have but

1427
00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:51,000
um when all the content is free who gets

1428
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:52,920
paid to make content

1429
00:55:58,670 --> 00:55:56,160
well you do and when I say you I mean

1430
00:56:01,309 --> 00:55:58,680
you all of you because you are the

1431
00:56:04,370 --> 00:56:01,319
content and so YouTube has destroyed

1432
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:04,380
producers and said if you make content

1433
00:56:08,569 --> 00:56:06,720
we're going to cut you in to a small

1434
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:08,579
percentage that we would normally pay

1435
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:10,319
for producers because you get a 20 some

1436
00:56:13,010 --> 00:56:11,760
odd percent markup we're gonna give you

1437
00:56:15,170 --> 00:56:13,020
one percent and pocket the other 20

1438
00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:15,180
something so now fast forward to now

1439
00:56:19,010 --> 00:56:17,400
where AI comes into play and so now you

1440
00:56:21,010 --> 00:56:19,020
have ai and there's a new what is that

1441
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:21,020
of you but one one of the one of the

1442
00:56:26,210 --> 00:56:24,000
multimodal AIS right now um that is

1443
00:56:29,870 --> 00:56:26,220
catching getting making a lot of waves

1444
00:56:32,809 --> 00:56:29,880
is called Runway and so Runway Gen 2 is

1445
00:56:35,930 --> 00:56:32,819
uh is supposed to be a an amazing text

1446
00:56:39,170 --> 00:56:35,940
to Video Creator now

1447
00:56:40,970 --> 00:56:39,180
all this is we're going to put all the

1448
00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:40,980
IP and all that stuff aside because

1449
00:56:45,230 --> 00:56:42,660
that's another night and error and

1450
00:56:47,530 --> 00:56:45,240
that's a five hour conversation but when

1451
00:56:52,010 --> 00:56:47,540
it comes to making content

1452
00:56:54,290 --> 00:56:52,020
someone like YouTube Who currently is

1453
00:56:56,569 --> 00:56:54,300
the pipeline to distribution the

1454
00:56:59,150 --> 00:56:56,579
creation of distribution pipeline

1455
00:57:00,589 --> 00:56:59,160
why would they even cut a human in

1456
00:57:03,470 --> 00:57:00,599
anymore at all

1457
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:03,480
so their algorithm determines where the

1458
00:57:08,510 --> 00:57:06,240
viewership is and then directs and pumps

1459
00:57:11,210 --> 00:57:08,520
that up and then puts the ads on top of

1460
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:11,220
it so let's just say I I've literally

1461
00:57:21,650 --> 00:57:19,790
yeah people pick up pencils throw them

1462
00:57:23,210 --> 00:57:21,660
at the ceiling oh my God it's the hot

1463
00:57:26,450 --> 00:57:23,220
new craze everyone's throwing pencils at

1464
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:26,460
the ceiling great YouTube tells their AI

1465
00:57:32,930 --> 00:57:30,720
text to video generator make me

1466
00:57:34,849 --> 00:57:32,940
ten thousand different variations of

1467
00:57:36,349 --> 00:57:34,859
people throwing a pencil at the ceiling

1468
00:57:37,790 --> 00:57:36,359
making all different types of people

1469
00:57:39,290 --> 00:57:37,800
every intersectional quality you can

1470
00:57:40,790 --> 00:57:39,300
think of every nationality every

1471
00:57:43,309 --> 00:57:40,800
language every everything

1472
00:57:46,010 --> 00:57:43,319
release them all and see what happens

1473
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:46,020
and then slowly some will get gravitated

1474
00:57:49,849 --> 00:57:47,760
toward until they Peak and then that's

1475
00:57:52,370 --> 00:57:49,859
where their ads are going to go

1476
00:57:53,569 --> 00:57:52,380
where's the human

1477
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:53,579
it's over

1478
00:57:59,329 --> 00:57:56,160
there's no more human so you could have

1479
00:58:02,049 --> 00:57:59,339
kids who spend five hours a day watching

1480
00:58:04,370 --> 00:58:02,059
screams of people they think are people

1481
00:58:06,290 --> 00:58:04,380
but are people

1482
00:58:08,690 --> 00:58:06,300
they're AI generated

1483
00:58:13,010 --> 00:58:08,700
and so now it's you're watching it's

1484
00:58:15,950 --> 00:58:13,020
it's just crazy messed up Matrix like oh

1485
00:58:17,329 --> 00:58:15,960
my God and not one piece of human

1486
00:58:18,650 --> 00:58:17,339
interaction and then eventually that'll

1487
00:58:20,930 --> 00:58:18,660
just be automated towards writing its

1488
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:20,940
own like its own text props

1489
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:24,079
um so that is my dystopian future

1490
00:58:28,790 --> 00:58:27,119
content distribution and creation uh

1491
00:58:30,490 --> 00:58:28,800
that's where I see it going and it's

1492
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:30,500
scary and I hate it

1493
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:32,400
right yeah I see what you're saying

1494
00:58:36,410 --> 00:58:34,559
there and it becomes this on-demand

1495
00:58:39,710 --> 00:58:36,420
recursive

1496
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:39,720
uh monster essentially like the more

1497
00:58:43,069 --> 00:58:41,040
that you watch the more that you

1498
00:58:44,750 --> 00:58:43,079
influence the more that it creates the

1499
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:44,760
faster that it can create the more

1500
00:58:49,730 --> 00:58:47,040
iterative it can be you know it just

1501
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:49,740
this this endless you're never getting

1502
00:58:53,390 --> 00:58:50,720
out again

1503
00:58:55,789 --> 00:58:53,400
it's true it I just don't know what

1504
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:55,799
we're all going to do for jobs

1505
00:58:58,849 --> 00:58:57,599
now I want to ask you this uh have you

1506
00:59:02,329 --> 00:58:58,859
have you used it yet have you used any

1507
00:59:04,190 --> 00:59:02,339
of the tools every day I used so I put I

1508
00:59:04,970 --> 00:59:04,200
posted a thing I did on online on

1509
00:59:07,309 --> 00:59:04,980
Twitter

1510
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,319
um I created a workflow so I mean I

1511
00:59:11,329 --> 00:59:09,599
could talk about AI forever uh right now

1512
00:59:14,690 --> 00:59:11,339
though you know one of the one of the

1513
00:59:16,910 --> 00:59:14,700
first casualties of AI will be single uh

1514
00:59:18,289 --> 00:59:16,920
single function applications

1515
00:59:20,270 --> 00:59:18,299
um and I approved it and one of the

1516
00:59:23,390 --> 00:59:20,280
things that I did so

1517
00:59:25,250 --> 00:59:23,400
um I had I had an idea where uh it's not

1518
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:25,260
unique no one's ideas are unique no

1519
00:59:34,210 --> 00:59:27,119
one's a beautiful unique stuff like it's

1520
00:59:40,430 --> 00:59:38,150
but the uh and so my so what I did as a

1521
00:59:41,569 --> 00:59:40,440
test is I took a bunch of Legos and I

1522
00:59:42,829 --> 00:59:41,579
threw them on the floor

1523
00:59:44,510 --> 00:59:42,839
and so I did a combination of three

1524
00:59:46,130 --> 00:59:44,520
different two different three different

1525
00:59:48,170 --> 00:59:46,140
AIS and I posted a Twitter third about

1526
00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:48,180
this on my on my Twitter third where I I

1527
00:59:52,010 --> 00:59:49,500
took some Legos I threw them on the

1528
00:59:55,250 --> 00:59:52,020
floor and I took a photo and I fed the

1529
00:59:57,730 --> 00:59:55,260
photo to Bard Bard is Google's AI and I

1530
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:57,740
said can you identify what these are

1531
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:00,720
looks like yes and I got very specific

1532
01:00:05,690 --> 01:00:02,640
and uh and I was like you know give me

1533
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:05,700
the color and the product number and it

1534
01:00:09,950 --> 01:00:07,200
was like there's 100 here's 147

1535
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:09,960
different Legos there's 72 of these 2016

1536
01:00:14,809 --> 01:00:12,000
all the way down the line I was like

1537
01:00:17,809 --> 01:00:14,819
great now uh so I took that over to

1538
01:00:20,450 --> 01:00:17,819
chatgpt and I said give me three objects

1539
01:00:22,250 --> 01:00:20,460
I can build from these 147 Legos and it

1540
01:00:25,789 --> 01:00:22,260
did and I said okay now write those

1541
01:00:27,770 --> 01:00:25,799
instructions it was like a house a robot

1542
01:00:30,349 --> 01:00:27,780
and a bridge I was like okay let's build

1543
01:00:31,609 --> 01:00:30,359
the house give me the instructions uh

1544
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:31,619
give me step by step instruction on how

1545
01:00:34,670 --> 01:00:32,880
to build a house

1546
01:00:36,170 --> 01:00:34,680
um which it did and I corrected and make

1547
01:00:38,750 --> 01:00:36,180
sure it wrote it so a 10 year old can

1548
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:38,760
understand it and build it and then I

1549
01:00:44,030 --> 01:00:41,760
said now modify that modify those

1550
01:00:47,569 --> 01:00:44,040
instructions so I can feed those as a

1551
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,579
prompt to a text to image generator

1552
01:00:51,950 --> 01:00:49,680
which it did and then I took that text

1553
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:51,960
to image generation prompt and I sent it

1554
01:00:58,250 --> 01:00:54,799
over to Dali and then Dali did renders

1555
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:58,260
of the freaking houses that could be

1556
01:01:02,450 --> 01:01:00,720
built from those Legos I did my whole I

1557
01:01:03,650 --> 01:01:02,460
have a whole thread you can read my

1558
01:01:04,930 --> 01:01:03,660
whole process all the prompts and

1559
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:04,940
everything I used

1560
01:01:13,549 --> 01:01:09,359
that um that workflow is a good example

1561
01:01:15,710 --> 01:01:13,559
of a very simple use of how

1562
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:15,720
all of it is baked in

1563
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:18,240
it's baked into the data set it's baked

1564
01:01:23,390 --> 01:01:19,920
into What's called the Corpus of data

1565
01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:23,400
like that's it it's over like the next

1566
01:01:27,410 --> 01:01:25,680
step is is you better find a way to plug

1567
01:01:28,970 --> 01:01:27,420
ourselves in

1568
01:01:30,530 --> 01:01:28,980
um because does everything better in

1569
01:01:31,789 --> 01:01:30,540
fashion than we can and I just did that

1570
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:31,799
for fun on the weekend I was like oh I

1571
01:01:34,490 --> 01:01:33,359
wonder if I could do this and sure

1572
01:01:36,770 --> 01:01:34,500
enough

1573
01:01:40,130 --> 01:01:36,780
um so I love it I mean the uses are

1574
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:40,140
amazing but I'll tell you this

1575
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:42,000
um I'm sorry I'm going on these tangents

1576
01:01:46,250 --> 01:01:43,680
you guys I know I apologize

1577
01:01:49,069 --> 01:01:46,260
um but you asked so I feel like I gotta

1578
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:49,079
tell you absolutely uh I'm trying to

1579
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:51,119
find I remember

1580
01:01:56,089 --> 01:01:53,760
my um

1581
01:01:57,530 --> 01:01:56,099
my presentation or my discussion this

1582
01:01:59,150 --> 01:01:57,540
has been clunky and I'm still working it

1583
01:02:00,770 --> 01:01:59,160
out but

1584
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:00,780
what we're seeing now I've witnessed

1585
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:04,079
once already in the.com boom and

1586
01:02:07,789 --> 01:02:06,240
uh what was happening then was everyone

1587
01:02:09,650 --> 01:02:07,799
was like oh my God we got to be on

1588
01:02:11,089 --> 01:02:09,660
social media we have to be online all of

1589
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:11,099
these companies but they didn't know

1590
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:12,240
what they were going to do they were

1591
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:14,880
gonna do their thing online which was

1592
01:02:17,930 --> 01:02:17,280
advertising okay great

1593
01:02:20,329 --> 01:02:17,940
um

1594
01:02:23,450 --> 01:02:20,339
we're witnessing right now

1595
01:02:25,250 --> 01:02:23,460
every company and every person believes

1596
01:02:28,130 --> 01:02:25,260
they need to use AI

1597
01:02:29,210 --> 01:02:28,140
but what they're going to do with AI is

1598
01:02:30,770 --> 01:02:29,220
they're going to do what they're already

1599
01:02:34,010 --> 01:02:30,780
doing

1600
01:02:37,430 --> 01:02:34,020
with but adding a layer of AI on top of

1601
01:02:39,410 --> 01:02:37,440
it so I'm gonna be instacart but with

1602
01:02:41,809 --> 01:02:39,420
chat gbt I'm going to be blah blah blah

1603
01:02:43,849 --> 01:02:41,819
with chat gbt great

1604
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:43,859
so they're all forgetting first they're

1605
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:45,839
sharing all their [\h__\h] their data

1606
01:02:49,130 --> 01:02:48,240
with them which is we haven't learned

1607
01:02:51,530 --> 01:02:49,140
anything

1608
01:02:53,569 --> 01:02:51,540
um but so this is great this first step

1609
01:02:55,250 --> 01:02:53,579
this is the first step and so what

1610
01:02:57,950 --> 01:02:55,260
you'll have is all of these want these

1611
01:03:00,589 --> 01:02:57,960
single-use applications die off

1612
01:03:02,870 --> 01:03:00,599
um the next iteration is what we can't

1613
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:02,880
imagine yet and so

1614
01:03:08,210 --> 01:03:06,720
we don't know anything that because we

1615
01:03:09,410 --> 01:03:08,220
have not had it long enough that we

1616
01:03:12,170 --> 01:03:09,420
haven't played with it long enough or

1617
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:12,180
developed anything so specifically for

1618
01:03:17,329 --> 01:03:15,200
it everything that's being used with AI

1619
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:17,339
existed before it

1620
01:03:21,530 --> 01:03:19,200
so we have not decide figured out

1621
01:03:24,170 --> 01:03:21,540
anything that could not have existed yet

1622
01:03:26,030 --> 01:03:24,180
and built it with it that's where the

1623
01:03:28,370 --> 01:03:26,040
real Innovation happens and I think I

1624
01:03:30,589 --> 01:03:28,380
always try to use the equation like like

1625
01:03:34,609 --> 01:03:30,599
the uh the analogy of like a

1626
01:03:38,030 --> 01:03:34,619
refrigerator or a freezer or or some

1627
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:38,040
kind of storage device that was created

1628
01:03:42,289 --> 01:03:39,839
and everyone's like oh great I can now

1629
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:42,299
put my stuff in here okay when you're

1630
01:03:45,410 --> 01:03:43,680
putting stuff that existed before the

1631
01:03:47,930 --> 01:03:45,420
device in the device

1632
01:03:49,609 --> 01:03:47,940
what does the creation of that device

1633
01:03:50,510 --> 01:03:49,619
now allow you to do that you couldn't do

1634
01:03:52,250 --> 01:03:50,520
before

1635
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:52,260
and that's where we're at and we haven't

1636
01:03:56,930 --> 01:03:54,240
figured that out and my I know my

1637
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:56,940
description's clunky but um I feel like

1638
01:04:00,049 --> 01:03:58,559
there's something deeper in there and

1639
01:04:02,990 --> 01:04:00,059
some bigger brain person will figure it

1640
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:03,000
out but that's where this this is what I

1641
01:04:07,430 --> 01:04:04,319
see is like

1642
01:04:09,049 --> 01:04:07,440
we're all just playing right now and

1643
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:09,059
it's gonna it's gonna happen I feel like

1644
01:04:12,049 --> 01:04:11,280
a switch is gonna be flipped and some

1645
01:04:14,349 --> 01:04:12,059
people are going to come out of the

1646
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:14,359
woodwork like guess what I did I created

1647
01:04:20,450 --> 01:04:17,280
Fusion I created faster than a light

1648
01:04:22,430 --> 01:04:20,460
flight I did all this because of AI

1649
01:04:25,490 --> 01:04:22,440
um hey I can do a you know 100 000

1650
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:25,500
iterations of a car design in 10 seconds

1651
01:04:29,150 --> 01:04:26,880
you know what I'm saying like something

1652
01:04:31,849 --> 01:04:29,160
like stupid like that and it's like

1653
01:04:34,910 --> 01:04:31,859
like watch uh the animatrix animatrix is

1654
01:04:37,250 --> 01:04:34,920
a good take on it um they when the AI

1655
01:04:39,650 --> 01:04:37,260
becomes sentient uh then

1656
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:39,660
um but anyway I'm sorry that was my oh

1657
01:04:42,650 --> 01:04:40,559
that's great we're headed for an

1658
01:04:45,230 --> 01:04:42,660
inflection point I I agree and uh and

1659
01:04:47,390 --> 01:04:45,240
it's almost like an alien technology uh

1660
01:04:49,789 --> 01:04:47,400
so I I always spend a lot of times that

1661
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:49,799
is my question right there you go sorry

1662
01:04:54,410 --> 01:04:52,079
I didn't mean to take it from you

1663
01:04:55,970 --> 01:04:54,420
we spent a lot of time on it I I could I

1664
01:04:58,910 --> 01:04:55,980
could just like you TJ I could go in for

1665
01:05:01,069 --> 01:04:58,920
hours on this on this yeah sorry I I uh

1666
01:05:02,930 --> 01:05:01,079
I wrote a couple papers on it when uh

1667
01:05:06,589 --> 01:05:02,940
not too long before I met Nathan because

1668
01:05:09,710 --> 01:05:06,599
I graduated just before that and um I'm

1669
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:09,720
not a big fan of strong AI or AGI just

1670
01:05:13,849 --> 01:05:12,000
because the morality factor and they

1671
01:05:16,250 --> 01:05:13,859
discussed this on Lex Friedman's recent

1672
01:05:19,069 --> 01:05:16,260
podcast they said oh well all we need to

1673
01:05:21,650 --> 01:05:19,079
do is just have the morality and the

1674
01:05:25,130 --> 01:05:21,660
thought process you know uh work as fast

1675
01:05:26,690 --> 01:05:25,140
as as the Technologies is is uh gaining

1676
01:05:28,130 --> 01:05:26,700
Steam and the problem is but yeah that's

1677
01:05:30,230 --> 01:05:28,140
the that's the problem because that's

1678
01:05:32,329 --> 01:05:30,240
not going to happen I think we've proved

1679
01:05:35,450 --> 01:05:32,339
it I'm gonna ask you a question DJ who's

1680
01:05:38,650 --> 01:05:35,460
morality who's morals well exactly uh

1681
01:05:42,049 --> 01:05:38,660
human so so

1682
01:05:45,049 --> 01:05:42,059
allowing it to you know giving it access

1683
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:45,059
to a lot of things right which humans is

1684
01:05:50,210 --> 01:05:46,559
the thing right it's it's not being

1685
01:05:52,010 --> 01:05:50,220
regulated in any way and I I studied

1686
01:05:56,270 --> 01:05:52,020
some like a Georgia Tech Professor who

1687
01:05:59,210 --> 01:05:56,280
said that he taught they taught AI to be

1688
01:06:01,730 --> 01:05:59,220
able to play a trick or to deceive

1689
01:06:03,710 --> 01:06:01,740
another robot in a game that they had

1690
01:06:05,329 --> 01:06:03,720
and he said if you can do that how would

1691
01:06:07,069 --> 01:06:05,339
I know it's telling me the truth you

1692
01:06:09,289 --> 01:06:07,079
know it could say well it's in your best

1693
01:06:11,990 --> 01:06:09,299
interest that I deceive you so I think

1694
01:06:13,849 --> 01:06:12,000
when you get to that level I I don't I

1695
01:06:16,190 --> 01:06:13,859
agree that it can do many things it may

1696
01:06:18,289 --> 01:06:16,200
find a cure for cancer for all I know

1697
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:18,299
like you said Fusion or a propulsion

1698
01:06:23,150 --> 01:06:20,400
system that we hadn't thought of I got I

1699
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:23,160
got that but I'm talking about when it's

1700
01:06:27,650 --> 01:06:25,440
just on on you know you just sort of

1701
01:06:30,170 --> 01:06:27,660
release it to to do its own thing I I

1702
01:06:32,750 --> 01:06:30,180
don't I don't trust that the right

1703
01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:32,760
safeguards will be put in place that uh

1704
01:06:36,890 --> 01:06:34,559
it will in fact experiments have been

1705
01:06:39,589 --> 01:06:36,900
have done lately where it started to to

1706
01:06:42,109 --> 01:06:39,599
try to uh set up chats and do things and

1707
01:06:44,930 --> 01:06:42,119
and I I don't I don't trust it so I'm

1708
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:44,940
not a fan but let's let's see if we can

1709
01:06:49,549 --> 01:06:48,000
draw away from Ai and back to the woman

1710
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:49,559
who joined us who you remember from last

1711
01:06:54,829 --> 01:06:52,559
time Deb yes Deb the study of uap's Deb

1712
01:06:57,170 --> 01:06:54,839
do you have a topic for us to consider

1713
01:06:59,230 --> 01:06:57,180
tonight yeah so this thing happened

1714
01:07:01,789 --> 01:06:59,240
today

1715
01:07:03,650 --> 01:07:01,799
it was a small little thing it was a

1716
01:07:05,930 --> 01:07:03,660
senate hearing

1717
01:07:07,849 --> 01:07:05,940
um involving uh you know this little

1718
01:07:09,770 --> 01:07:07,859
thing called Arrow

1719
01:07:11,569 --> 01:07:09,780
um and I just wanted to you know float

1720
01:07:14,329 --> 01:07:11,579
that around some interesting things came

1721
01:07:17,150 --> 01:07:14,339
up and that hearing you know like 600

1722
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:17,160
cases were being reviewed you know

1723
01:07:21,650 --> 01:07:18,720
things like that and some things that

1724
01:07:23,329 --> 01:07:21,660
should have been brought up or not but

1725
01:07:25,250 --> 01:07:23,339
um I just wanted to get your guys's

1726
01:07:27,529 --> 01:07:25,260
perspective on that and you know the

1727
01:07:30,829 --> 01:07:27,539
Paranormal being part of the government

1728
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:30,839
and what that might mean for everybody

1729
01:07:36,049 --> 01:07:33,119
well let's go to Matt first and then TJ

1730
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:36,059
myself and Nathan so Matt uh I I haven't

1731
01:07:41,569 --> 01:07:38,240
seen the results of it I'm not aware of

1732
01:07:44,930 --> 01:07:41,579
exactly what happened but in general

1733
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:44,940
yeah I have no idea what happened

1734
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:48,240
I'm gonna give a horrible take I I don't

1735
01:07:52,970 --> 01:07:50,160
know they're looking at 600 cases so

1736
01:07:55,730 --> 01:07:52,980
that's what uh this year so far like

1737
01:07:58,089 --> 01:07:55,740
where are they getting the cases from

1738
01:08:01,490 --> 01:07:58,099
that's a good question they did not say

1739
01:08:03,170 --> 01:08:01,500
it's a lot more than 144 that they came

1740
01:08:05,329 --> 01:08:03,180
up with two years ago though right or

1741
01:08:07,730 --> 01:08:05,339
what was it a year ago when that report

1742
01:08:11,569 --> 01:08:07,740
came out was it late 21

1743
01:08:15,410 --> 01:08:11,579
so um so yeah I mean don't you think now

1744
01:08:17,209 --> 01:08:15,420
that it's become more public and uh the

1745
01:08:18,590 --> 01:08:17,219
government you know is stepping forward

1746
01:08:19,729 --> 01:08:18,600
with information and doing these

1747
01:08:22,490 --> 01:08:19,739
hearings and everything

1748
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:22,500
don't you think that might uh possibly

1749
01:08:25,550 --> 01:08:24,000
lead to

1750
01:08:28,849 --> 01:08:25,560
more

1751
01:08:33,169 --> 01:08:28,859
sightings and reports of things that

1752
01:08:36,110 --> 01:08:33,179
aren't necessarily factual or

1753
01:08:38,329 --> 01:08:36,120
worth entering into the data set

1754
01:08:39,709 --> 01:08:38,339
yeah I think he actually did say during

1755
01:08:42,590 --> 01:08:39,719
the hearing that they're working on

1756
01:08:44,329 --> 01:08:42,600
cleaning up the protocols for reporting

1757
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:44,339
but they're also going to have an

1758
01:08:48,349 --> 01:08:46,080
increase in that number because they're

1759
01:08:50,689 --> 01:08:48,359
going to make people report

1760
01:08:52,849 --> 01:08:50,699
so there's both happening

1761
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:52,859
but those numbers aren't coming from man

1762
01:08:58,249 --> 01:08:54,719
on the street those are coming from

1763
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:58,259
probably DOD sources or Affiliated

1764
01:09:02,450 --> 01:09:00,000
sources like you know we'll go back to

1765
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:02,460
Department Homeland Security uh Army

1766
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:04,560
Navy Air Force Marine Corps and then

1767
01:09:10,189 --> 01:09:06,960
other other government agencies so I

1768
01:09:12,829 --> 01:09:10,199
don't think that's coming from Bob from

1769
01:09:14,689 --> 01:09:12,839
Des Moines who saw something in the sky

1770
01:09:16,970 --> 01:09:14,699
so that's

1771
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:16,980
that that's would be my take on a TJ

1772
01:09:21,410 --> 01:09:19,199
what would you like to say about uh the

1773
01:09:23,930 --> 01:09:21,420
Senate hearings on UAP today

1774
01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:23,940
so I I

1775
01:09:27,890 --> 01:09:26,640
didn't pay attention because I know the

1776
01:09:30,890 --> 01:09:27,900
result

1777
01:09:32,269 --> 01:09:30,900
um which is nothing

1778
01:09:34,309 --> 01:09:32,279
um

1779
01:09:36,590 --> 01:09:34,319
no it's nothing

1780
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,600
um I'm very I'm I'm one of those and I

1781
01:09:39,669 --> 01:09:38,400
hate to you know I'm very vocal about it

1782
01:09:42,410 --> 01:09:39,679
like I I

1783
01:09:44,150 --> 01:09:42,420
and uh

1784
01:09:46,010 --> 01:09:44,160
very outspoken when it comes to the

1785
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:46,020
government involvement in any of this

1786
01:09:50,329 --> 01:09:47,759
any of the phenomenon stuff because

1787
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:50,339
there's no scenario in which they will

1788
01:09:55,010 --> 01:09:52,799
ever release anything

1789
01:09:57,410 --> 01:09:55,020
without any benefit to them

1790
01:09:59,930 --> 01:09:57,420
there is no way that you will be able

1791
01:10:01,490 --> 01:09:59,940
you will oh all of a sudden they want to

1792
01:10:03,590 --> 01:10:01,500
share things with us they want to tell

1793
01:10:04,910 --> 01:10:03,600
you something really when did that ever

1794
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:04,920
happen before in history it didn't so

1795
01:10:09,770 --> 01:10:06,960
it's never going to

1796
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:09,780
um no amount of pressure no money or

1797
01:10:13,430 --> 01:10:11,520
anything and I I constantly talk about

1798
01:10:15,410 --> 01:10:13,440
this the only way we're ever going to

1799
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:15,420
get any answers

1800
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:17,760
is through capitalism is do people like

1801
01:10:22,189 --> 01:10:19,440
Brandon is do people like musk if

1802
01:10:24,350 --> 01:10:22,199
there's a dollar to be made by the by

1803
01:10:26,090 --> 01:10:24,360
revealing this information or by holding

1804
01:10:28,490 --> 01:10:26,100
this information or developing something

1805
01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:28,500
from this that is the only way in the

1806
01:10:32,750 --> 01:10:30,719
real world that'll ever get out the

1807
01:10:35,330 --> 01:10:32,760
government is will continue to obfuscate

1808
01:10:37,610 --> 01:10:35,340
it and they will use it as an eternal

1809
01:10:40,189 --> 01:10:37,620
existential threat to raise money to

1810
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:40,199
increase budgets and get their their

1811
01:10:44,450 --> 01:10:42,080
only job is to keep their job

1812
01:10:46,850 --> 01:10:44,460
literally and that's what they will do

1813
01:10:47,870 --> 01:10:46,860
if they can make you afraid of that you

1814
01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:47,880
got to give me money because I can

1815
01:10:50,090 --> 01:10:49,199
protect you from that I'm gonna you know

1816
01:10:52,130 --> 01:10:50,100
make sure that we're doing the right

1817
01:10:54,169 --> 01:10:52,140
thing and behind closed doors we're

1818
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:54,179
really finding out you ain't finding out

1819
01:11:00,830 --> 01:10:57,600
[\h__\h] you don't know anything because if

1820
01:11:03,470 --> 01:11:00,840
you did if you people truly here's the

1821
01:11:06,110 --> 01:11:03,480
part I feel gets lost if you truly truly

1822
01:11:08,810 --> 01:11:06,120
truly had something about a little green

1823
01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:08,820
man somewhere and you withheld that that

1824
01:11:14,030 --> 01:11:11,120
is by far

1825
01:11:14,990 --> 01:11:14,040
the biggest story in all of human

1826
01:11:17,450 --> 01:11:15,000
history

1827
01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:17,460
nobody can keep that a secret no I don't

1828
01:11:21,709 --> 01:11:19,440
care how many ndas you sign I don't care

1829
01:11:24,890 --> 01:11:21,719
you cannot keep that secret it's like

1830
01:11:26,090 --> 01:11:24,900
you know the Messiah is here you like

1831
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:26,100
like

1832
01:11:29,090 --> 01:11:27,600
they're the only other story would be

1833
01:11:30,410 --> 01:11:29,100
like if we found another planet and they

1834
01:11:34,669 --> 01:11:30,420
also had a Bible and there was a guy

1835
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:34,679
named Jesus like holy crap like short of

1836
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:36,239
that this is the biggest thing that

1837
01:11:41,870 --> 01:11:38,640
there could possibly be and I don't care

1838
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:41,880
how much you threaten a person

1839
01:11:46,490 --> 01:11:44,400
there will not keep that secret they

1840
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:46,500
can't and I firmly believe that and I've

1841
01:11:49,790 --> 01:11:48,480
said this for years like if there was

1842
01:11:52,910 --> 01:11:49,800
enough evidence for someone to come

1843
01:11:55,490 --> 01:11:52,920
forward and say more than just a story

1844
01:11:56,990 --> 01:11:55,500
that there's something here then it's

1845
01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:57,000
gonna come out

1846
01:12:01,970 --> 01:12:00,000
um I I I just don't I don't believe the

1847
01:12:03,290 --> 01:12:01,980
government for any of this I I can't I

1848
01:12:04,430 --> 01:12:03,300
can't get behind it

1849
01:12:06,110 --> 01:12:04,440
um I just think these are more dog and

1850
01:12:07,729 --> 01:12:06,120
pony shows and it's no no it's all to

1851
01:12:09,410 --> 01:12:07,739
anybody like this is my opinion I don't

1852
01:12:10,669 --> 01:12:09,420
know anything more than anybody else and

1853
01:12:12,770 --> 01:12:10,679
the teacher you're full of [\h__\h] you have

1854
01:12:15,229 --> 01:12:12,780
no clue to talk about afraid I'm a Jaden

1855
01:12:18,290 --> 01:12:15,239
cynic and I work in television too long

1856
01:12:20,810 --> 01:12:18,300
um no I work in the land of imaginary

1857
01:12:24,110 --> 01:12:20,820
[\h__\h] I make entertainment

1858
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:24,120
um and I am very aware of my bias so um

1859
01:12:28,189 --> 01:12:26,640
I just I I get upset with this I get

1860
01:12:30,250 --> 01:12:28,199
annoyed at this Arrow stuff I get

1861
01:12:33,229 --> 01:12:30,260
annoyed at all these these acronym

1862
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:33,239
programs that you know I

1863
01:12:37,729 --> 01:12:35,040
I make a living

1864
01:12:40,010 --> 01:12:37,739
on this partially on this

1865
01:12:41,630 --> 01:12:40,020
I get lost with the number of acronyms

1866
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:41,640
that there are and programs that there

1867
01:12:44,990 --> 01:12:43,199
are and people that there are and Cult

1868
01:12:46,970 --> 01:12:45,000
of personalities that there are in this

1869
01:12:49,550 --> 01:12:46,980
in this group

1870
01:12:51,950 --> 01:12:49,560
um and to hear this another another

1871
01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:51,960
hearing another great

1872
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:55,679
give show us something for love of God

1873
01:12:59,390 --> 01:12:58,080
um and they're never gonna they're never

1874
01:13:01,850 --> 01:12:59,400
gonna because there's no nothing to be

1875
01:13:03,169 --> 01:13:01,860
gained TJ I'm gonna both agree with you

1876
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:03,179
and disagree with you I'm going to agree

1877
01:13:07,010 --> 01:13:05,520
with your last Point wholeheartedly

1878
01:13:09,410 --> 01:13:07,020
um and these guys have heard me say this

1879
01:13:11,090 --> 01:13:09,420
I am when it comes to hearings I'm the

1880
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:11,100
worst person you want to talk to because

1881
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:13,440
I'm the ultimate pessimist

1882
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:15,600
um I don't agree with you and the fact

1883
01:13:19,010 --> 01:13:16,800
about that they don't have anything

1884
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:19,020
because they can't keep a secret because

1885
01:13:25,070 --> 01:13:21,840
I know people in the government who can

1886
01:13:27,709 --> 01:13:25,080
have and do do keep secrets and there

1887
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:27,719
are certain ways to do that uh and there

1888
01:13:32,689 --> 01:13:29,760
are certain people that will take those

1889
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:32,699
secrets to their grave that take this as

1890
01:13:36,530 --> 01:13:34,320
their life's work the way that you take

1891
01:13:39,950 --> 01:13:36,540
what you do as your life's work or a

1892
01:13:41,950 --> 01:13:39,960
pastor you know takes uh sure uh I'm

1893
01:13:44,750 --> 01:13:41,960
discovering that either yeah

1894
01:13:46,729 --> 01:13:44,760
I'm just telling you just my again it's

1895
01:13:48,709 --> 01:13:46,739
mine no I love that I know I don't I

1896
01:13:49,550 --> 01:13:48,719
don't know that what they have and I

1897
01:13:51,050 --> 01:13:49,560
don't I don't know what they're

1898
01:13:53,630 --> 01:13:51,060
harboring but I

1899
01:13:55,550 --> 01:13:53,640
I think they probably have

1900
01:13:58,669 --> 01:13:55,560
um I'll go with what Jim Sammy van said

1901
01:14:00,890 --> 01:13:58,679
because he knows more than I do because

1902
01:14:02,390 --> 01:14:00,900
um he had a need to know uh even though

1903
01:14:04,669 --> 01:14:02,400
my clearance was

1904
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:04,679
probably one step down from his he had a

1905
01:14:08,030 --> 01:14:06,000
need to know certain things that I

1906
01:14:12,410 --> 01:14:08,040
didn't and he says

1907
01:14:14,570 --> 01:14:12,420
they know more than we do but they

1908
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:14,580
they don't they don't understand what

1909
01:14:19,130 --> 01:14:16,560
this is and they're at a deficit to try

1910
01:14:20,450 --> 01:14:19,140
to explain it to the American people the

1911
01:14:22,189 --> 01:14:20,460
other part I'm going to agree with you

1912
01:14:25,130 --> 01:14:22,199
on is it's not in their interest to

1913
01:14:27,229 --> 01:14:25,140
divulge just to the American people and

1914
01:14:30,169 --> 01:14:27,239
the cabbies have heard me say ad nauseum

1915
01:14:32,689 --> 01:14:30,179
that until you do something to make them

1916
01:14:34,370 --> 01:14:32,699
move from the position in which they're

1917
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:34,380
entrenched they will not move they have

1918
01:14:38,630 --> 01:14:36,480
no reason to move the only reason that

1919
01:14:42,410 --> 01:14:38,640
they did move is because of what Lou

1920
01:14:44,090 --> 01:14:42,420
Elizondo and Tom Delong and Jim semvan

1921
01:14:46,430 --> 01:14:44,100
and all these guys Christopher Mellon

1922
01:14:48,649 --> 01:14:46,440
and then you know a couple All-American

1923
01:14:51,169 --> 01:14:48,659
Pilots Alex Dietrich and Dave fraver

1924
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:51,179
came out and now they're forced to talk

1925
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:53,760
about it now you can't say we don't know

1926
01:14:58,250 --> 01:14:55,679
it didn't happen we don't know anything

1927
01:15:00,890 --> 01:14:58,260
about it you can't say that now because

1928
01:15:02,630 --> 01:15:00,900
they came out and talked about it so now

1929
01:15:05,090 --> 01:15:02,640
they're forced to talk about in a way

1930
01:15:07,070 --> 01:15:05,100
that Bigfoot they are absolutely not

1931
01:15:09,470 --> 01:15:07,080
forced to talk about it regardless of

1932
01:15:11,570 --> 01:15:09,480
the fact that they may have one or more

1933
01:15:14,510 --> 01:15:11,580
bodies that they've collected from

1934
01:15:16,970 --> 01:15:14,520
various roadside kills from various

1935
01:15:19,790 --> 01:15:16,980
interactions with uh

1936
01:15:22,010 --> 01:15:19,800
SF teams out at Fort Lewis On Maneuvers

1937
01:15:24,649 --> 01:15:22,020
that may or may not have killed one

1938
01:15:26,090 --> 01:15:24,659
Etc if they have a body they have no

1939
01:15:29,330 --> 01:15:26,100
reason to tell you about it because why

1940
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:29,340
would you mess with your uh your REI

1941
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:33,120
industry your Cabela's industry uh etc

1942
01:15:37,310 --> 01:15:35,520
etc there's no reason you know your

1943
01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:37,320
entire National Park system which is

1944
01:15:40,970 --> 01:15:39,120
relatively new in this country if you

1945
01:15:42,350 --> 01:15:40,980
want to look at it that way why would

1946
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:42,360
you say to people oh yeah there's

1947
01:15:45,530 --> 01:15:43,679
something out there that kind of looks

1948
01:15:47,570 --> 01:15:45,540
like us and don't mess with it it's

1949
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:47,580
really intelligent it's really good at

1950
01:15:53,330 --> 01:15:49,920
at not being seen and it's extremely

1951
01:15:55,450 --> 01:15:53,340
terrifying there's net that that that is

1952
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:55,460
not going to happen on a Podium unless

1953
01:16:01,130 --> 01:15:58,560
they're forced to talk about it

1954
01:16:03,649 --> 01:16:01,140
so and that's what people who are out

1955
01:16:05,149 --> 01:16:03,659
hunting these things literally there are

1956
01:16:07,250 --> 01:16:05,159
teams of people who spend months in the

1957
01:16:10,189 --> 01:16:07,260
woods trying that have shot at them

1958
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:10,199
trying to kill one find one I'll make

1959
01:16:20,450 --> 01:16:11,360
you famous

1960
01:16:25,430 --> 01:16:20,460
corpse

1961
01:16:29,169 --> 01:16:25,440
will get you a TV show you will be world

1962
01:16:34,490 --> 01:16:32,030
I do this stuff on Twitter like I

1963
01:16:36,590 --> 01:16:34,500
I spend way too much time late at nights

1964
01:16:39,229 --> 01:16:36,600
on Twitter spaces mining for this I look

1965
01:16:40,430 --> 01:16:39,239
for this somebody somewhere if it is

1966
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:40,440
true

1967
01:16:45,649 --> 01:16:42,960
someone somewhere a guy with 42

1968
01:16:48,110 --> 01:16:45,659
followers from Albuquerque New Mexico is

1969
01:16:49,729 --> 01:16:48,120
gonna jump in his face and tell me hey I

1970
01:16:51,470 --> 01:16:49,739
got this I've talked to way too many

1971
01:16:54,290 --> 01:16:51,480
people who say they have stuff and then

1972
01:16:57,470 --> 01:16:54,300
they always they always fall apart at

1973
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:57,480
the end TJ we're in a perfect uh Pivot

1974
01:17:02,030 --> 01:17:00,000
Point here to let Matt tell you what he

1975
01:17:03,950 --> 01:17:02,040
knows about people uh groups that are

1976
01:17:05,330 --> 01:17:03,960
out there hunting so Matt before you

1977
01:17:07,010 --> 01:17:05,340
present your topic could you take it

1978
01:17:11,709 --> 01:17:07,020
away and just shed some light on this

1979
01:17:18,070 --> 01:17:15,370
but could you expound on how many

1980
01:17:20,810 --> 01:17:18,080
Fade to Black TJ

1981
01:17:24,250 --> 01:17:20,820
and scene thank you have a nice day turn

1982
01:17:24,260 --> 01:17:27,310
results

1983
01:17:32,810 --> 01:17:30,950
that was great man TJ had me sold on you

1984
01:17:34,870 --> 01:17:32,820
know jaded cynicism and I was like hi

1985
01:17:37,310 --> 01:17:34,880
I'm your Bigfoot counterpart

1986
01:17:39,530 --> 01:17:37,320
you're a spirit animal I I understand

1987
01:17:41,810 --> 01:17:39,540
the frustration completely you know how

1988
01:17:43,850 --> 01:17:41,820
many times have I tried to follow that

1989
01:17:45,169 --> 01:17:43,860
string just to get it yanked out of my

1990
01:17:49,130 --> 01:17:45,179
hand at the last second you know

1991
01:17:51,950 --> 01:17:49,140
surprise I you know sorry I'm sorry yeah

1992
01:17:53,689 --> 01:17:51,960
they start following things go south you

1993
01:17:56,590 --> 01:17:53,699
know oh the body disappeared I don't

1994
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:56,600
know I've I've never found

1995
01:18:03,410 --> 01:18:00,960
a claim being made that I followed up

1996
01:18:06,050 --> 01:18:03,420
with and found it to be authentic as far

1997
01:18:07,370 --> 01:18:06,060
as having killed one or had a body in

1998
01:18:10,729 --> 01:18:07,380
their possession

1999
01:18:13,030 --> 01:18:10,739
uh I did have an individual who I mean

2000
01:18:15,709 --> 01:18:13,040
we were set up to make it happen

2001
01:18:19,250 --> 01:18:15,719
uh private property

2002
01:18:20,930 --> 01:18:19,260
lots of activity uh

2003
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:20,940
financial backer

2004
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:24,239
I I was just kind of in a support role

2005
01:18:28,189 --> 01:18:26,640
you know with my experiences over the

2006
01:18:31,070 --> 01:18:28,199
years you know kind of helping him out

2007
01:18:31,970 --> 01:18:31,080
and strategy and all that stuff and then

2008
01:18:33,770 --> 01:18:31,980
uh

2009
01:18:35,209 --> 01:18:33,780
at the last second he kind of pulled the

2010
01:18:36,229 --> 01:18:35,219
plug and said these things are demons I

2011
01:18:37,850 --> 01:18:36,239
don't have anything to do with them

2012
01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:37,860
anymore

2013
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:40,860
so of course you know teachers like

2014
01:18:46,430 --> 01:18:43,679
demon schmeeman let's go yeah come on I

2015
01:18:48,649 --> 01:18:46,440
don't care I don't care there's a group

2016
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:48,659
that had a short-lived uh television

2017
01:18:52,250 --> 01:18:50,880
series I don't even know if they did a

2018
01:18:54,110 --> 01:18:52,260
single season I think they just the

2019
01:18:56,990 --> 01:18:54,120
pilot episode uh

2020
01:18:59,450 --> 01:18:57,000
but you know they were famous for years

2021
01:19:01,310 --> 01:18:59,460
back in the early 2000s you know their

2022
01:19:02,990 --> 01:19:01,320
whole thing was harvesting one they had

2023
01:19:04,490 --> 01:19:03,000
private property and that's all they did

2024
01:19:05,870 --> 01:19:04,500
they were Hunters you know and they just

2025
01:19:07,610 --> 01:19:05,880
hung out on this property trying to

2026
01:19:10,430 --> 01:19:07,620
shoot one but you know there are certain

2027
01:19:12,590 --> 01:19:10,440
stipulations uh it had to be a male

2028
01:19:13,850 --> 01:19:12,600
adult it couldn't be a juvenile or

2029
01:19:15,590 --> 01:19:13,860
female because you know that moral

2030
01:19:17,330 --> 01:19:15,600
compass whenever you're trying to shoot

2031
01:19:18,530 --> 01:19:17,340
an intelligent species just through it

2032
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:18,540
exists

2033
01:19:22,729 --> 01:19:20,640
um and you know there was a claim that

2034
01:19:26,149 --> 01:19:22,739
one had been shot during an organized

2035
01:19:29,570 --> 01:19:26,159
hunt uh but they were unable to retrieve

2036
01:19:31,310 --> 01:19:29,580
the body supposedly they were able to uh

2037
01:19:34,430 --> 01:19:31,320
recover you know

2038
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:34,440
bloody tissue and hair and all that had

2039
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:36,960
a whole bag full of it you know we're

2040
01:19:40,910 --> 01:19:38,880
gonna send it off and all that and

2041
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:40,920
nothing ever came of it you know there

2042
01:19:46,370 --> 01:19:43,040
is never any reports filed or anything

2043
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:46,380
uh so it gets frustrating you know I

2044
01:19:51,970 --> 01:19:49,440
I've heard of I do locations where

2045
01:19:54,470 --> 01:19:51,980
supposedly bodies are buried you know

2046
01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:54,480
there's a a cistern in Oklahoma

2047
01:19:59,030 --> 01:19:57,360
supposedly has a Bigfoot uh body in it

2048
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:59,040
you know where a guy shot one on his

2049
01:20:03,410 --> 01:20:01,199
property and then got scared very

2050
01:20:06,110 --> 01:20:03,420
similar to The Bug Story that became

2051
01:20:08,630 --> 01:20:06,120
famous on coast to coast and uh put it

2052
01:20:10,490 --> 01:20:08,640
inside this cistern years ago and now

2053
01:20:12,229 --> 01:20:10,500
that property belongs to somebody else

2054
01:20:14,090 --> 01:20:12,239
who's completely unaware that it's even

2055
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:14,100
there and you know it's just rumors

2056
01:20:18,410 --> 01:20:15,840
small town rumor stuff

2057
01:20:21,709 --> 01:20:18,420
listen it I I say this like you know

2058
01:20:27,470 --> 01:20:21,719
remember the air the uh what was it Rush

2059
01:20:28,630 --> 01:20:27,480
Area 51 or Charter yeah so if you tell

2060
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:28,640
me there's a

2061
01:20:33,950 --> 01:20:31,440
some things buried somewhere like

2062
01:20:36,169 --> 01:20:33,960
I swear that I've pitched this idea I

2063
01:20:39,050 --> 01:20:36,179
would love to see this happen like you

2064
01:20:41,570 --> 01:20:39,060
can't stop masses of people right so if

2065
01:20:43,850 --> 01:20:41,580
you decided like oh there's the Ark of

2066
01:20:46,610 --> 01:20:43,860
the Covenant is in some church guarded

2067
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:46,620
by one blind guy in Ethiopia well then

2068
01:20:51,850 --> 01:20:48,800
bring 700 people

2069
01:20:54,649 --> 01:20:51,860
and go in and get it

2070
01:20:58,130 --> 01:20:54,659
don't tell me this like oh there's a

2071
01:21:00,169 --> 01:20:58,140
there's a Bigfoot buried okay reach 700

2072
01:21:02,870 --> 01:21:00,179
people to where Bigfoot's buried and go

2073
01:21:05,149 --> 01:21:02,880
dig it up and no amount of cops know

2074
01:21:07,310 --> 01:21:05,159
about anyone's gonna stop you just go

2075
01:21:08,930 --> 01:21:07,320
get it like and and I think this is

2076
01:21:11,270 --> 01:21:08,940
where all these paranormal communities

2077
01:21:14,570 --> 01:21:11,280
falter like their strength in numbers

2078
01:21:15,890 --> 01:21:14,580
you know if you really want to go to one

2079
01:21:19,490 --> 01:21:15,900
of these places where a hot spot or

2080
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:19,500
whatever go with 400 500 friggin people

2081
01:21:25,550 --> 01:21:23,520
and do it like do it go find it go and

2082
01:21:28,850 --> 01:21:25,560
you just can't get enough able to like

2083
01:21:29,770 --> 01:21:28,860
agree on what they and what they're

2084
01:21:32,630 --> 01:21:29,780
looking for

2085
01:21:33,890 --> 01:21:32,640
oh let me ask one question I want to ask

2086
01:21:36,350 --> 01:21:33,900
Matt this and I think you'll find this

2087
01:21:39,410 --> 01:21:36,360
interesting Matt how many how many

2088
01:21:41,810 --> 01:21:39,420
groups or how many how many groups do

2089
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:41,820
you suppose are hunting them and why do

2090
01:21:45,410 --> 01:21:43,920
you think that they have not actually

2091
01:21:48,110 --> 01:21:45,420
killed one yet

2092
01:21:50,350 --> 01:21:48,120
like actually hunting like trying to

2093
01:21:52,510 --> 01:21:50,360
shoot once yes

2094
01:21:55,910 --> 01:21:52,520
I mean

2095
01:21:58,189 --> 01:21:55,920
there's at least

2096
01:21:59,930 --> 01:21:58,199
to my knowledge there's not very many to

2097
01:22:02,750 --> 01:21:59,940
be honest but there's at least two or

2098
01:22:04,610 --> 01:22:02,760
three right now I'm comprised of how

2099
01:22:06,830 --> 01:22:04,620
many each

2100
01:22:08,510 --> 01:22:06,840
that actually get to go on the Hunts

2101
01:22:10,610 --> 01:22:08,520
yeah see that's the that's the problem

2102
01:22:13,370 --> 01:22:10,620
right there ego comes into play as it

2103
01:22:15,950 --> 01:22:13,380
always does uh there you go you know the

2104
01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:15,960
speculation of well if we do actually

2105
01:22:19,850 --> 01:22:18,239
shoot one who do we want to split the

2106
01:22:22,130 --> 01:22:19,860
money with you know who do we want to

2107
01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:22,140
what money

2108
01:22:26,630 --> 01:22:24,000
million dollar Bounty that's on all of

2109
01:22:33,410 --> 01:22:26,640
the their heads that everybody after

2110
01:22:38,570 --> 01:22:36,050
so I was

2111
01:22:39,890 --> 01:22:38,580
a good 15 years deep into this at the

2112
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:39,900
point

2113
01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:41,360
um pretty well known

2114
01:22:46,729 --> 01:22:44,400
uh was

2115
01:22:49,970 --> 01:22:46,739
fairly good acquaintances with people

2116
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:49,980
involved in the top level of a group

2117
01:22:54,350 --> 01:22:52,800
that is actively trying to kill one uh

2118
01:22:55,729 --> 01:22:54,360
I'm not gonna say their name but you

2119
01:22:58,250 --> 01:22:55,739
know exactly who they are we've talked

2120
01:23:00,709 --> 01:22:58,260
about them before I do I'll tell TJ off

2121
01:23:01,790 --> 01:23:00,719
air I looked into joining this group at

2122
01:23:05,689 --> 01:23:01,800
the time

2123
01:23:09,410 --> 01:23:05,699
you had to pay them money to join which

2124
01:23:11,870 --> 01:23:09,420
bought you access to their message forum

2125
01:23:14,330 --> 01:23:11,880
where you could interact with them on

2126
01:23:16,430 --> 01:23:14,340
the message form for a year and then

2127
01:23:19,130 --> 01:23:16,440
after a year

2128
01:23:21,890 --> 01:23:19,140
one of the top tier members could choose

2129
01:23:25,250 --> 01:23:21,900
to nominate you for membership

2130
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:25,260
and if they chose you to be nominated

2131
01:23:30,110 --> 01:23:27,840
then they would vote on you and if you

2132
01:23:33,169 --> 01:23:30,120
passed the vote then you could join them

2133
01:23:34,910 --> 01:23:33,179
out in the field by invite not just

2134
01:23:36,470 --> 01:23:34,920
automatically Nathan does this sound

2135
01:23:38,050 --> 01:23:36,480
like the Skull and Bones of Bigfoot

2136
01:23:42,110 --> 01:23:38,060
thank you sir may I have another

2137
01:23:43,669 --> 01:23:42,120
cytology yeah it's crazy it's absolutely

2138
01:23:44,930 --> 01:23:43,679
crazy they had to pay then you probably

2139
01:23:46,610 --> 01:23:44,940
had to pay

2140
01:23:48,890 --> 01:23:46,620
to go out in the field and then you had

2141
01:23:50,689 --> 01:23:48,900
to pay to get the special goggles that

2142
01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:50,699
would only allow you to see it and then

2143
01:23:54,050 --> 01:23:51,840
you had to pay to get the special

2144
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:54,060
bullets that would only hit it and

2145
01:23:57,590 --> 01:23:55,920
nothing else it's just more and more and

2146
01:23:59,209 --> 01:23:57,600
more and more and then we have to do how

2147
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:59,219
this person wants it done and that

2148
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:01,440
person usually thinks their ideas the

2149
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:02,880
right one even though they're completely

2150
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:04,800
unsuccessful all these years

2151
01:24:09,649 --> 01:24:06,960
and it's just a lot of tell chasing and

2152
01:24:12,290 --> 01:24:09,659
Egos and you know as we say in Oklahoma

2153
01:24:14,510 --> 01:24:12,300
pissing contests they spend months in

2154
01:24:16,010 --> 01:24:14,520
the woods on uh when they go out there

2155
01:24:18,649 --> 01:24:16,020
they don't go for weeks they go for

2156
01:24:19,490 --> 01:24:18,659
months am I correct Matt yeah but I mean

2157
01:24:21,709 --> 01:24:19,500
okay

2158
01:24:23,870 --> 01:24:21,719
why are you even calling yourselves

2159
01:24:24,830 --> 01:24:23,880
experts or hunters or anything at that

2160
01:24:27,050 --> 01:24:24,840
point

2161
01:24:28,669 --> 01:24:27,060
yeah yeah I've encountered a bunch of

2162
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:28,679
these groups

2163
01:24:31,850 --> 01:24:30,719
um but I don't find them as groups I

2164
01:24:33,709 --> 01:24:31,860
always find the individuals and that's

2165
01:24:36,110 --> 01:24:33,719
what the most compelling stories to me

2166
01:24:37,669 --> 01:24:36,120
are the individuals that I find I I

2167
01:24:39,649 --> 01:24:37,679
mentioned one about a guy earlier on

2168
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:39,659
like you know going to always sticks out

2169
01:24:42,890 --> 01:24:40,800
in my head like I didn't realize in

2170
01:24:44,630 --> 01:24:42,900
Southeastern Oklahoma that it's like a

2171
01:24:46,430 --> 01:24:44,640
hot spot I didn't know that Southeastern

2172
01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:46,440
Oklahoma was a hot spot

2173
01:24:50,750 --> 01:24:48,239
um and this guy who was like they were

2174
01:24:52,070 --> 01:24:50,760
hunting they were taunting him and his

2175
01:24:53,870 --> 01:24:52,080
family and then he moved his two

2176
01:24:55,689 --> 01:24:53,880
daughters and his wife to Texas and then

2177
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:55,699
he set up like a freaking Home Alone

2178
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:58,320
booby traps all over his property to try

2179
01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:00,239
to kill these things I had a cop that

2180
01:25:05,510 --> 01:25:03,600
was going to come online on camera and

2181
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:05,520
go on the record saying that this is all

2182
01:25:10,430 --> 01:25:07,440
been happening and all this like the

2183
01:25:14,149 --> 01:25:10,440
Bigfoot stuff is is interesting

2184
01:25:16,430 --> 01:25:14,159
um but it's never proven like

2185
01:25:18,110 --> 01:25:16,440
I I you know it's another one of those

2186
01:25:20,510 --> 01:25:18,120
things man I I just don't know like I

2187
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:20,520
need to see it like just we can't all be

2188
01:25:23,390 --> 01:25:22,320
hallucinating you know not everyone

2189
01:25:25,970 --> 01:25:23,400
could just be having the same

2190
01:25:27,910 --> 01:25:25,980
hallucination so Matt Matt has seen them

2191
01:25:31,130 --> 01:25:27,920
TJ

2192
01:25:32,570 --> 01:25:31,140
that's where I was you know I'm I'm a

2193
01:25:34,970 --> 01:25:32,580
skeptical person and even now I'm

2194
01:25:37,010 --> 01:25:34,980
extremely skeptical I think DJ gets

2195
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:37,020
irritated at me sometimes because he'll

2196
01:25:39,649 --> 01:25:38,400
call me up and be like have you heard

2197
01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:39,659
this story I was like yeah that's BS

2198
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:44,169
I don't get irritated

2199
01:25:47,689 --> 01:25:46,320
I had to go out there and see from me

2200
01:25:49,310 --> 01:25:47,699
for myself like what is going on this

2201
01:25:52,430 --> 01:25:49,320
can't be true this can't possibly be

2202
01:25:54,709 --> 01:25:52,440
true and I went out there and had my

2203
01:25:57,169 --> 01:25:54,719
life changed forever and here I am 20

2204
01:25:59,450 --> 01:25:57,179
plus years later uh still talking about

2205
01:26:01,850 --> 01:25:59,460
it on a daily basis you know talking

2206
01:26:05,149 --> 01:26:01,860
about it right now

2207
01:26:07,010 --> 01:26:05,159
but after all that time and like you

2208
01:26:08,570 --> 01:26:07,020
were talking about experts knowing the

2209
01:26:10,370 --> 01:26:08,580
history and all the anecdotal stories

2210
01:26:13,129 --> 01:26:10,380
and everything with all that information

2211
01:26:14,510 --> 01:26:13,139
knowing the entire history

2212
01:26:16,189 --> 01:26:14,520
I don't

2213
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:16,199
I'm not any closer to an explanation

2214
01:26:21,950 --> 01:26:18,960
than I was before I ever saw one

2215
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:21,960
and to me that's the real mystery behind

2216
01:26:27,410 --> 01:26:24,719
this thing because if these things are

2217
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:27,420
just some undiscovered primate like you

2218
01:26:30,590 --> 01:26:29,520
know the mainstream thought process is

2219
01:26:32,750 --> 01:26:30,600
on them

2220
01:26:36,290 --> 01:26:32,760
then we would have something by now

2221
01:26:38,870 --> 01:26:36,300
surely surely we're that capable I mean

2222
01:26:41,090 --> 01:26:38,880
there is a gentleman out in the Pacific

2223
01:26:43,310 --> 01:26:41,100
Northwest who is a billionaire who has

2224
01:26:44,930 --> 01:26:43,320
Finance groups and hunts and thrown

2225
01:26:47,149 --> 01:26:44,940
money at this thing for years and years

2226
01:26:48,830 --> 01:26:47,159
and years and he's not the only one

2227
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:48,840
there's another billionaire from Texas

2228
01:26:53,810 --> 01:26:50,400
somewhere that I heard about that does

2229
01:26:57,050 --> 01:26:53,820
the same thing so even with the money

2230
01:26:58,490 --> 01:26:57,060
and the Manpower it still doesn't happen

2231
01:27:00,890 --> 01:26:58,500
because they're doing it wrong with any

2232
01:27:02,149 --> 01:27:00,900
TV people well they're they're usually

2233
01:27:04,189 --> 01:27:02,159
people really are pressure to get

2234
01:27:06,770 --> 01:27:04,199
something made they're really really

2235
01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:06,780
smart and they know the woods the way

2236
01:27:10,729 --> 01:27:08,639
that you know the inside of that office

2237
01:27:13,669 --> 01:27:10,739
that you're in right there that's their

2238
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:13,679
home and they're very very good at at

2239
01:27:18,530 --> 01:27:16,320
hearing using all of their senses to

2240
01:27:20,450 --> 01:27:18,540
stay away from you or scaring you when

2241
01:27:28,030 --> 01:27:20,460
they want you to to back up and head

2242
01:27:32,450 --> 01:27:30,649
we can interpret it we can decide like

2243
01:27:33,950 --> 01:27:32,460
you know people can think like oh they

2244
01:27:34,910 --> 01:27:33,960
they do know or they don't know these

2245
01:27:36,709 --> 01:27:34,920
things they do know these things they

2246
01:27:37,689 --> 01:27:36,719
know the ones in other words

2247
01:27:40,729 --> 01:27:37,699
um

2248
01:27:42,830 --> 01:27:40,739
you know it's all speculation what I

2249
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:42,840
find one of the things I find most

2250
01:27:47,390 --> 01:27:45,120
irritating about any expert in any of

2251
01:27:49,070 --> 01:27:47,400
these in any of these fields especially

2252
01:27:51,530 --> 01:27:49,080
the Bigfoot one is when I hear stuff

2253
01:27:54,410 --> 01:27:51,540
like well you know females live to be

2254
01:27:58,090 --> 01:27:54,420
about 140 years old and the child is 70

2255
01:28:03,169 --> 01:28:01,610
shut up you're a [\h__\h] don't tell me

2256
01:28:04,370 --> 01:28:03,179
these things and expect me to take you

2257
01:28:07,550 --> 01:28:04,380
seriously

2258
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:07,560
um I get I get very you know I'm very

2259
01:28:13,370 --> 01:28:10,560
open about all this stuff like I I I I I

2260
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:13,380
listen everybody tell me their stories

2261
01:28:17,629 --> 01:28:16,080
um but as soon as you try to piss on my

2262
01:28:19,330 --> 01:28:17,639
leg and tell me it's rained

2263
01:28:31,970 --> 01:28:19,340
I

2264
01:28:33,530 --> 01:28:31,980
into your office right there when you

2265
01:28:38,270 --> 01:28:33,540
walk in how long would it take you to

2266
01:28:40,570 --> 01:28:39,530
it's your question am I missing

2267
01:28:43,850 --> 01:28:40,580
something

2268
01:28:45,050 --> 01:28:43,860
the first thing that exactly so the

2269
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:45,060
first thing would happen when you'd open

2270
01:28:49,850 --> 01:28:46,800
the doors you'd say oh somebody put a

2271
01:28:52,250 --> 01:28:49,860
potted Cypress in my office and that's

2272
01:28:54,530 --> 01:28:52,260
how Bigfoot is when there's a trail cam

2273
01:28:56,209 --> 01:28:54,540
or there's something that's inorganic

2274
01:28:58,910 --> 01:28:56,219
that is that comes into their

2275
01:29:01,370 --> 01:28:58,920
environment uh whether it's a vehicle

2276
01:29:03,410 --> 01:29:01,380
that pulls up they can hear you coming

2277
01:29:06,050 --> 01:29:03,420
down the dirt road parking the trailhead

2278
01:29:09,350 --> 01:29:06,060
getting slamming the doors setting up

2279
01:29:10,430 --> 01:29:09,360
camp interesting things yeah so what do

2280
01:29:12,229 --> 01:29:10,440
you think about the Canadian government

2281
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:12,239
when they were going to do that that

2282
01:29:15,530 --> 01:29:14,400
blink project the heat sensor Blue

2283
01:29:18,250 --> 01:29:15,540
Project

2284
01:29:23,570 --> 01:29:22,010
of course I do are you kidding me what

2285
01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:23,580
happened to that like okay

2286
01:29:28,850 --> 01:29:26,159
now that's out of the box thinking

2287
01:29:30,290 --> 01:29:28,860
what is it I mean that it's our it had

2288
01:29:33,169 --> 01:29:30,300
already been done years prior to that

2289
01:29:37,129 --> 01:29:33,179
yeah on a television series as a matter

2290
01:29:39,470 --> 01:29:37,139
of fact uh you know and and that was

2291
01:29:42,169 --> 01:29:39,480
again uh

2292
01:29:44,330 --> 01:29:42,179
problems with humans got in the way uh

2293
01:29:47,570 --> 01:29:44,340
and the project

2294
01:29:49,790 --> 01:29:47,580
a good plan on paper uh but wrong

2295
01:29:52,189 --> 01:29:49,800
parties behind it I guess are involved

2296
01:29:54,110 --> 01:29:52,199
with it and it kind of just fell apart

2297
01:29:56,390 --> 01:29:54,120
uh before it ever really had a chance

2298
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:56,400
now we have the same abilities anybody I

2299
01:30:00,490 --> 01:29:58,800
you know with money I could go out and

2300
01:30:02,990 --> 01:30:00,500
buy a drone and do the same thing myself

2301
01:30:04,850 --> 01:30:03,000
on my own you wouldn't even need a big

2302
01:30:06,890 --> 01:30:04,860
funded blunt project of any kind of do

2303
01:30:09,470 --> 01:30:06,900
it I I don't know why people

2304
01:30:12,709 --> 01:30:09,480
aren't using drone technology with

2305
01:30:15,590 --> 01:30:12,719
thermal and video and everything uh I

2306
01:30:17,629 --> 01:30:15,600
think that's the way to go uh I've

2307
01:30:18,669 --> 01:30:17,639
recently been looking into a lidar

2308
01:30:21,350 --> 01:30:18,679
scanning

2309
01:30:22,790 --> 01:30:21,360
I think that's got some good

2310
01:30:23,870 --> 01:30:22,800
possibilities you know they're using it

2311
01:30:25,729 --> 01:30:23,880
for uh

2312
01:30:27,169 --> 01:30:25,739
human recovery situations where people

2313
01:30:28,430 --> 01:30:27,179
get lost in the wilderness and stuff

2314
01:30:30,169 --> 01:30:28,440
they're starting to use that along with

2315
01:30:33,530 --> 01:30:30,179
drone technology and I think that's

2316
01:30:36,830 --> 01:30:33,540
probably where the future of uh Bigfoot

2317
01:30:39,530 --> 01:30:36,840
research needs to go as far as

2318
01:30:41,030 --> 01:30:39,540
if your Ambitions are to prove their

2319
01:30:43,209 --> 01:30:41,040
existence I think that's probably the

2320
01:30:45,290 --> 01:30:43,219
best route at this point

2321
01:30:46,790 --> 01:30:45,300
what about those um what are those

2322
01:30:48,410 --> 01:30:46,800
satellites called

2323
01:30:50,270 --> 01:30:48,420
you can buy

2324
01:30:52,610 --> 01:30:50,280
satellites I'm not familiar with that

2325
01:30:55,370 --> 01:30:52,620
cubesat or something like that cubesats

2326
01:30:57,169 --> 01:30:55,380
that's what I was yes I was actually yes

2327
01:30:59,390 --> 01:30:57,179
cubesats

2328
01:31:02,090 --> 01:30:59,400
I feel like that's a that that's a tool

2329
01:31:03,890 --> 01:31:02,100
like that hasn't been ex explored for

2330
01:31:06,229 --> 01:31:03,900
that hunt yet

2331
01:31:08,330 --> 01:31:06,239
um I mean they're low order satellites

2332
01:31:10,729 --> 01:31:08,340
you can have any kind of sensor on if

2333
01:31:13,129 --> 01:31:10,739
you had enough money right um

2334
01:31:15,229 --> 01:31:13,139
this is this this could be a whole

2335
01:31:17,149 --> 01:31:15,239
discussion as to why people that do see

2336
01:31:19,129 --> 01:31:17,159
him aren't able to capture them I mean

2337
01:31:21,229 --> 01:31:19,139
Matt has been there he's seen other

2338
01:31:22,850 --> 01:31:21,239
people I'm not able to capture it on

2339
01:31:26,149 --> 01:31:22,860
film which is a whole nother discussion

2340
01:31:28,850 --> 01:31:26,159
but uh and Bigfoot is I mean it's just a

2341
01:31:30,229 --> 01:31:28,860
fascinating thing but what I thought you

2342
01:31:32,090 --> 01:31:30,239
know I want to make sure anybody else

2343
01:31:33,649 --> 01:31:32,100
has anything else but I did want to hear

2344
01:31:36,290 --> 01:31:33,659
your thoughts about Chris Bledsoe

2345
01:31:39,410 --> 01:31:36,300
because uh Nathan's neighbor there in

2346
01:31:42,350 --> 01:31:39,420
North Carolina from Fayetteville he is

2347
01:31:45,709 --> 01:31:42,360
probably the most well-known most

2348
01:31:48,649 --> 01:31:45,719
credible uh person who has interacted

2349
01:31:52,070 --> 01:31:48,659
enough three-letter agencies incredible

2350
01:31:53,930 --> 01:31:52,080
people scientists types have been down

2351
01:31:56,330 --> 01:31:53,940
there and visited with Chris Bledsoe and

2352
01:31:58,970 --> 01:31:56,340
so what is your your interaction and

2353
01:32:02,030 --> 01:31:58,980
your thoughts with him

2354
01:32:04,129 --> 01:32:02,040
so I'm Chris it's like

2355
01:32:05,810 --> 01:32:04,139
straight up dude right like that's the

2356
01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:05,820
best way to describe it

2357
01:32:12,709 --> 01:32:07,920
um and like I said I talked to him last

2358
01:32:16,550 --> 01:32:14,510
oh man

2359
01:32:18,169 --> 01:32:16,560
I I want to go into this when I don't

2360
01:32:20,990 --> 01:32:18,179
want to go into the stuff like uh

2361
01:32:24,830 --> 01:32:21,000
there's a lot there uh

2362
01:32:27,649 --> 01:32:24,840
I know like he's a um

2363
01:32:29,510 --> 01:32:27,659
I remember contacting him just as this

2364
01:32:31,970 --> 01:32:29,520
whole everything was starting thinking

2365
01:32:34,070 --> 01:32:31,980
like he is another

2366
01:32:36,050 --> 01:32:34,080
there's another narrative to be

2367
01:32:39,410 --> 01:32:36,060
constructed around all this

2368
01:32:42,770 --> 01:32:41,390
I understand if there's an angle you

2369
01:32:44,930 --> 01:32:42,780
don't want someone else who's

2370
01:32:46,669 --> 01:32:44,940
potentially looking crisp Bledsoe to

2371
01:32:48,350 --> 01:32:46,679
know what your angle might be for a

2372
01:32:50,590 --> 01:32:48,360
project I understand what is that what

2373
01:32:53,689 --> 01:32:50,600
you're

2374
01:32:54,950 --> 01:32:53,699
that's okay okay yeah there's there's I

2375
01:32:56,570 --> 01:32:54,960
feel like there's stuff there like that

2376
01:32:58,910 --> 01:32:56,580
I just uh

2377
01:33:00,050 --> 01:32:58,920
I don't know I I know I'm not a

2378
01:33:02,270 --> 01:33:00,060
beautiful unique snowflake but there's

2379
01:33:05,510 --> 01:33:02,280
sometimes I'm afraid to put up I you

2380
01:33:08,330 --> 01:33:05,520
know say things uh that I feel might be

2381
01:33:10,729 --> 01:33:08,340
a little bit more unique a little bit

2382
01:33:12,530 --> 01:33:10,739
different than most trains of thought

2383
01:33:13,610 --> 01:33:12,540
um

2384
01:33:15,050 --> 01:33:13,620
shoot

2385
01:33:16,189 --> 01:33:15,060
I feel like I'm on a spot and I should

2386
01:33:18,470 --> 01:33:16,199
say give you something else but I don't

2387
01:33:19,850 --> 01:33:18,480
have anything to do all right you're not

2388
01:33:22,910 --> 01:33:19,860
gonna get you're you won't get pressure

2389
01:33:25,729 --> 01:33:22,920
to you know I know just speaking in

2390
01:33:27,290 --> 01:33:25,739
general TJ this guy has had experiences

2391
01:33:28,330 --> 01:33:27,300
that have been vetted by the most

2392
01:33:33,950 --> 01:33:28,340
credible

2393
01:33:36,470 --> 01:33:33,960
society from Jim cenovan Diana pasulka

2394
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:36,480
Dr Bob McGuire told us he went down

2395
01:33:43,430 --> 01:33:39,600
there Nathan's partner uh in crime EXO

2396
01:33:45,050 --> 01:33:43,440
Academia Darren King went down there uh

2397
01:33:46,250 --> 01:33:45,060
and ha and people just go down there and

2398
01:33:48,530 --> 01:33:46,260
have experiences you want to talk about

2399
01:33:50,510 --> 01:33:48,540
portals opening up and you know you have

2400
01:33:52,729 --> 01:33:50,520
a guy from the CIA saying something

2401
01:33:55,610 --> 01:33:52,739
opened up and like some sort of a white

2402
01:33:57,350 --> 01:33:55,620
bull and then a white lady popped out in

2403
01:33:59,090 --> 01:33:57,360
this backyard you're like what do you

2404
01:34:01,310 --> 01:33:59,100
what do you say to that I'm like what do

2405
01:34:02,990 --> 01:34:01,320
you make yeah what do you make of that

2406
01:34:05,390 --> 01:34:03,000
like what do you like what are you

2407
01:34:08,570 --> 01:34:05,400
supposed to do with that Nathan this is

2408
01:34:09,950 --> 01:34:08,580
you man I mean right like we this ties

2409
01:34:11,810 --> 01:34:09,960
into everything we just talked about

2410
01:34:14,990 --> 01:34:11,820
right there's uh

2411
01:34:17,270 --> 01:34:15,000
there's weird stuff happening in reality

2412
01:34:19,910 --> 01:34:17,280
that we share

2413
01:34:21,890 --> 01:34:19,920
and it happens to people that we know

2414
01:34:24,169 --> 01:34:21,900
uh people that we encounter they're real

2415
01:34:26,030 --> 01:34:24,179
people they're credible people from all

2416
01:34:28,430 --> 01:34:26,040
walks of life in all parts of the world

2417
01:34:31,189 --> 01:34:28,440
and all kinds of cultures weird things

2418
01:34:34,550 --> 01:34:31,199
happen and they don't fit into the

2419
01:34:37,189 --> 01:34:34,560
conventional buckets that we'd like them

2420
01:34:39,770 --> 01:34:37,199
to right and so we spend

2421
01:34:42,169 --> 01:34:39,780
in some cases Our Lives just sort of

2422
01:34:45,530 --> 01:34:42,179
struggling with this or they or they

2423
01:34:47,870 --> 01:34:45,540
shape the direction of Our Lives and uh

2424
01:34:49,189 --> 01:34:47,880
you know what's weird about it too I

2425
01:34:53,570 --> 01:34:49,199
find is that

2426
01:34:56,030 --> 01:34:53,580
that's not necessarily all that uncommon

2427
01:34:58,250 --> 01:34:56,040
in the way that things influence us

2428
01:35:00,290 --> 01:34:58,260
right so you know you talked about when

2429
01:35:02,750 --> 01:35:00,300
you were a kid and you had your you know

2430
01:35:04,490 --> 01:35:02,760
your dream science Mansion right and and

2431
01:35:06,830 --> 01:35:04,500
here you are like kind of coming to a

2432
01:35:09,950 --> 01:35:06,840
show with a guy who basically has an

2433
01:35:14,890 --> 01:35:09,960
outdoor dream science Mansion right

2434
01:35:20,990 --> 01:35:17,810
that little vision like influenced your

2435
01:35:22,430 --> 01:35:21,000
life in a way right and uh and I I could

2436
01:35:24,169 --> 01:35:22,440
probably go in Lots I've never thought

2437
01:35:26,149 --> 01:35:24,179
of that dude on that it was awesome I've

2438
01:35:28,070 --> 01:35:26,159
never thought of that you know so I you

2439
01:35:30,050 --> 01:35:28,080
know we have we have we and this happens

2440
01:35:32,330 --> 01:35:30,060
in many different facets of our lives

2441
01:35:34,310 --> 01:35:32,340
right so the person that you end up with

2442
01:35:37,250 --> 01:35:34,320
you know you're whoever your partner is

2443
01:35:39,290 --> 01:35:37,260
the person that uh that you feel you

2444
01:35:41,750 --> 01:35:39,300
know is is your best friend or the the

2445
01:35:44,750 --> 01:35:41,760
work that you do or places that you want

2446
01:35:47,390 --> 01:35:44,760
to go visit all these things uh kind of

2447
01:35:49,310 --> 01:35:47,400
start out as this uh you know almost

2448
01:35:50,629 --> 01:35:49,320
like they appear out of The Ether in

2449
01:35:52,430 --> 01:35:50,639
your in your experience but they

2450
01:35:57,350 --> 01:35:52,440
motivate you and they guide you and they

2451
01:35:59,689 --> 01:35:57,360
draw you into their presence in a way uh

2452
01:36:01,189 --> 01:35:59,699
and so it's just that these particular

2453
01:36:04,370 --> 01:36:01,199
things that we've talked about on the

2454
01:36:06,890 --> 01:36:04,380
show they stand out because not everyone

2455
01:36:08,870 --> 01:36:06,900
has those experiences we all have the

2456
01:36:10,490 --> 01:36:08,880
former but we don't all have what we

2457
01:36:12,649 --> 01:36:10,500
just talked about here but is there

2458
01:36:14,330 --> 01:36:12,659
really a distinction between them I

2459
01:36:15,590 --> 01:36:14,340
think that it's just that the ones we

2460
01:36:18,169 --> 01:36:15,600
talked about that we kind of share like

2461
01:36:20,209 --> 01:36:18,179
just really common uh but that but the

2462
01:36:21,890 --> 01:36:20,219
ones that are unique I mean yes they're

2463
01:36:23,930 --> 01:36:21,900
unique they're different but but they're

2464
01:36:25,850 --> 01:36:23,940
happening as you said TJ not in the

2465
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:25,860
super normal not in the Paranormal but

2466
01:36:31,970 --> 01:36:28,800
in reality and so it's just they're way

2467
01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:31,980
harder for us to get get our arms around

2468
01:36:37,129 --> 01:36:34,800
box and figure out but I do think that

2469
01:36:38,930 --> 01:36:37,139
they help Define the possibility space

2470
01:36:42,350 --> 01:36:38,940
right and this is what's always been

2471
01:36:43,729 --> 01:36:42,360
true about human sort of Discovery and

2472
01:36:46,729 --> 01:36:43,739
the advancement of our knowledge like

2473
01:36:48,950 --> 01:36:46,739
things happen to us and we we start

2474
01:36:50,990 --> 01:36:48,960
asking questions about them and we start

2475
01:36:52,669 --> 01:36:51,000
forming hypotheses and we start testing

2476
01:36:55,010 --> 01:36:52,679
things and all of a sudden we the thing

2477
01:36:56,689 --> 01:36:55,020
that was completely baffling us like

2478
01:36:58,610 --> 01:36:56,699
germs for crying out loud we figured

2479
01:36:59,810 --> 01:36:58,620
what German you know germs are and here

2480
01:37:01,189 --> 01:36:59,820
we are like we're thinking like those

2481
01:37:02,750 --> 01:37:01,199
idiots back then they didn't know what

2482
01:37:04,790 --> 01:37:02,760
germs were well I mean that's where we

2483
01:37:06,830 --> 01:37:04,800
are now there are things in our reality

2484
01:37:08,930 --> 01:37:06,840
that are they're interfacing with us and

2485
01:37:10,729 --> 01:37:08,940
we're we're just given this task it's

2486
01:37:14,090 --> 01:37:10,739
almost the task of Our Generation right

2487
01:37:17,030 --> 01:37:14,100
to to push this knowledge forward in a

2488
01:37:18,470 --> 01:37:17,040
new direction to where our future humans

2489
01:37:20,629 --> 01:37:18,480
will look back and go wow those idiots

2490
01:37:22,129 --> 01:37:20,639
they didn't know about X but man they

2491
01:37:23,810 --> 01:37:22,139
they pushed us there and I'm glad that

2492
01:37:26,689 --> 01:37:23,820
they did and they're going to have their

2493
01:37:28,490 --> 01:37:26,699
own you know stuff to figure out

2494
01:37:30,110 --> 01:37:28,500
yeah

2495
01:37:33,590 --> 01:37:30,120
I think that

2496
01:37:34,669 --> 01:37:33,600
we don't need to struggle with this you

2497
01:37:36,830 --> 01:37:34,679
know there are things that you start you

2498
01:37:38,330 --> 01:37:36,840
have to struggle with your taxes and

2499
01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:38,340
your taxes aren't particularly fun to

2500
01:37:42,169 --> 01:37:40,560
talk about you have to struggle with

2501
01:37:46,850 --> 01:37:42,179
your business sometimes you struggle

2502
01:37:49,550 --> 01:37:46,860
with family and and raising children Etc

2503
01:37:51,410 --> 01:37:49,560
um just life can be a struggle but in

2504
01:37:53,750 --> 01:37:51,420
analyzing the phenomenon we don't have

2505
01:37:55,010 --> 01:37:53,760
to struggle because I don't have to

2506
01:37:57,350 --> 01:37:55,020
define it

2507
01:37:58,910 --> 01:37:57,360
and I don't care what word you want to

2508
01:38:00,290 --> 01:37:58,920
apply to it whether you want to say it's

2509
01:38:02,629 --> 01:38:00,300
natural we're going to say it's

2510
01:38:06,830 --> 01:38:02,639
paranormal it doesn't matter it's just

2511
01:38:09,050 --> 01:38:06,840
fun let's have fun talking about it and

2512
01:38:11,510 --> 01:38:09,060
and hypothesizing about it without

2513
01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:11,520
making it a struggle because we're not

2514
01:38:16,070 --> 01:38:13,920
going to Define it right here and and

2515
01:38:18,950 --> 01:38:16,080
frankly The Government Can as Jim

2516
01:38:20,510 --> 01:38:18,960
Simmons said can't Define it so why do

2517
01:38:22,550 --> 01:38:20,520
they want to have a conversation where

2518
01:38:24,050 --> 01:38:22,560
they can't actually give you the answer

2519
01:38:26,330 --> 01:38:24,060
and they're going to be left with you

2520
01:38:28,189 --> 01:38:26,340
asking questions and them going the

2521
01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:28,199
government doesn't like to do this I

2522
01:38:32,810 --> 01:38:30,960
don't know we can do that and that's why

2523
01:38:34,790 --> 01:38:32,820
we have this show is to do that so

2524
01:38:37,729 --> 01:38:34,800
that's all I would say is that when in

2525
01:38:39,050 --> 01:38:37,739
analyzing this this phenomenon

2526
01:38:41,870 --> 01:38:39,060
um there's no need to struggle let's

2527
01:38:44,090 --> 01:38:41,880
just have fun with it because uh we're

2528
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:44,100
not required to get the nobody here is

2529
01:38:49,910 --> 01:38:46,800
being paid to give the answer we're

2530
01:38:52,010 --> 01:38:49,920
getting paid to do other other jobs so

2531
01:38:54,050 --> 01:38:52,020
we can just come together and talk about

2532
01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:54,060
it and have fun and nobody's necessarily

2533
01:38:59,149 --> 01:38:56,639
right and nobody's wrong you know but

2534
01:39:00,770 --> 01:38:59,159
where I do integral DJs is uh if I have

2535
01:39:04,250 --> 01:39:00,780
five dollars I'm at the grocery store

2536
01:39:06,410 --> 01:39:04,260
and I've got to go to a barbecue [\h__\h]

2537
01:39:09,050 --> 01:39:06,420
and I'm gonna put this to TJ I want his

2538
01:39:10,550 --> 01:39:09,060
response I'm dying to know uh you've

2539
01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:10,560
only got five dollars and you've got to

2540
01:39:14,390 --> 01:39:12,960
go to a barbecue and uh you know there's

2541
01:39:16,310 --> 01:39:14,400
a lot of people there some of whom you

2542
01:39:18,050 --> 01:39:16,320
know some of whom you don't know and

2543
01:39:20,270 --> 01:39:18,060
they said TJ we need you to bring some

2544
01:39:22,729 --> 01:39:20,280
chips right so you're in you're at the

2545
01:39:24,950 --> 01:39:22,739
chip aisle well you know what what do

2546
01:39:26,810 --> 01:39:24,960
you do I mean you go barbecue do you go

2547
01:39:29,330 --> 01:39:26,820
to standard do you do you be the guy

2548
01:39:30,950 --> 01:39:29,340
that brings uh you know weird flavor

2549
01:39:34,850 --> 01:39:30,960
nobody likes what what do you do there

2550
01:39:36,530 --> 01:39:34,860
huge supply chips five bucks doesn't get

2551
01:39:37,970 --> 01:39:36,540
me anything it doesn't we'll give you

2552
01:39:39,129 --> 01:39:37,980
ten yeah

2553
01:39:43,790 --> 01:39:39,139
um

2554
01:39:48,530 --> 01:39:43,800
I have I am a chip snob

2555
01:39:51,410 --> 01:39:48,540
I eat for my birthday my wife and my son

2556
01:39:54,229 --> 01:39:51,420
got me 10 packages

2557
01:39:55,610 --> 01:39:54,239
of sprinkle salt and vinegar chips

2558
01:39:58,970 --> 01:39:55,620
all I will eat

2559
01:40:01,250 --> 01:39:58,980
Pringles because the reason why is

2560
01:40:04,070 --> 01:40:01,260
because there's uniformity and I don't

2561
01:40:06,770 --> 01:40:04,080
have to worry about a whole bunch of air

2562
01:40:08,629 --> 01:40:06,780
in a bag or chips that were stuck in

2563
01:40:10,010 --> 01:40:08,639
people's fingernails when they reached

2564
01:40:12,110 --> 01:40:10,020
in and then they grab and they go like

2565
01:40:14,450 --> 01:40:12,120
this in the bag and then you go and grab

2566
01:40:16,430 --> 01:40:14,460
the chips again

2567
01:40:20,590 --> 01:40:16,440
Pringles

2568
01:40:23,930 --> 01:40:20,600
and salt and vinegar is my favorite

2569
01:40:24,910 --> 01:40:23,940
like a window into TJ's Soul it is this

2570
01:40:28,910 --> 01:40:24,920
is

2571
01:40:31,330 --> 01:40:28,920
Personality yeah the vinegar and the

2572
01:40:35,270 --> 01:40:31,340
cleanliness

2573
01:40:37,550 --> 01:40:35,280
how do you that is my Pringles salt and

2574
01:40:39,709 --> 01:40:37,560
vinegar chips are my the jam and my

2575
01:40:41,149 --> 01:40:39,719
jelly roll much pop you can't stop and I

2576
01:40:43,790 --> 01:40:41,159
just you know just go to the if you go

2577
01:40:45,470 --> 01:40:43,800
to the party with that uh I mean I don't

2578
01:40:49,250 --> 01:40:45,480
know are you gonna be eating alone your

2579
01:40:52,970 --> 01:40:49,260
husband they're just yours baby yeah oh

2580
01:40:52,980 --> 01:40:56,629
for me

2581
01:41:02,930 --> 01:41:00,470
it's a big crowd like you can't but I'm

2582
01:41:05,570 --> 01:41:02,940
telling you it is the best bang per Buck

2583
01:41:07,370 --> 01:41:05,580
because there's no waste and they're not

2584
01:41:08,930 --> 01:41:07,380
even chips it's like a chip paste I

2585
01:41:11,870 --> 01:41:08,940
watched the whole program on how they're

2586
01:41:14,750 --> 01:41:11,880
made it's like crushed up it's like uh

2587
01:41:15,830 --> 01:41:14,760
like ground beef in chip form right like

2588
01:41:17,090 --> 01:41:15,840
how they make ground beef they make

2589
01:41:18,729 --> 01:41:17,100
that's what they do I guess with the

2590
01:41:20,810 --> 01:41:18,739
chips it's like a paste but it's like

2591
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:20,820
and I don't even think I can call them

2592
01:41:24,050 --> 01:41:23,040
potato chips right I think there's a I

2593
01:41:26,149 --> 01:41:24,060
think that there was some kind of

2594
01:41:29,330 --> 01:41:26,159
Regulation that was passed because the

2595
01:41:32,450 --> 01:41:29,340
chip lobbyists or something right it's a

2596
01:41:34,629 --> 01:41:32,460
potato starch mold basically okay yeah

2597
01:41:37,970 --> 01:41:34,639
thank you

2598
01:41:40,129 --> 01:41:37,980
and Whole Foods does have some sort of a

2599
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:40,139
knockoff that's supposed to be healthier

2600
01:41:43,270 --> 01:41:41,760
I don't know if you've tried them Nathan

2601
01:41:46,070 --> 01:41:43,280
uh TJ but

2602
01:41:48,350 --> 01:41:46,080
healthier you can at least get a can of

2603
01:41:51,109 --> 01:41:48,360
it and try they could you could only say

2604
01:41:54,169 --> 01:41:51,119
okay it's they're not good but it's

2605
01:41:58,450 --> 01:41:54,179
fried potatoes and salt there's no way

2606
01:42:02,090 --> 01:41:58,460
to get healthier it is what it is like

2607
01:42:03,709 --> 01:42:02,100
it's delicious and I believe them as

2608
01:42:05,390 --> 01:42:03,719
much as I can

2609
01:42:07,250 --> 01:42:05,400
um guys there's one more thing I got to

2610
01:42:09,410 --> 01:42:07,260
do before I got to get Deb in here

2611
01:42:12,350 --> 01:42:09,420
because Deb has only literally spoken

2612
01:42:14,330 --> 01:42:12,360
once during the entire pot Deb I just

2613
01:42:16,310 --> 01:42:14,340
want to ask you because I know that

2614
01:42:19,609 --> 01:42:16,320
you're very interested in this man's

2615
01:42:21,229 --> 01:42:19,619
story what comes to your mind when you

2616
01:42:23,090 --> 01:42:21,239
think about Chris Bledsoe and his

2617
01:42:25,850 --> 01:42:23,100
experiences Deb

2618
01:42:29,030 --> 01:42:25,860
you know honestly the reason I spoke to

2619
01:42:32,090 --> 01:42:29,040
Chris was the arthritis piece

2620
01:42:34,729 --> 01:42:32,100
um because I no seriously that that was

2621
01:42:36,830 --> 01:42:34,739
very interesting to me on many levels

2622
01:42:39,530 --> 01:42:36,840
not only because I actually have Saint

2623
01:42:41,149 --> 01:42:39,540
Francis as a statue sitting on my porch

2624
01:42:43,310 --> 01:42:41,159
and that was a weird thing that that got

2625
01:42:46,310 --> 01:42:43,320
brought up into the whole story about it

2626
01:42:48,950 --> 01:42:46,320
and then the fact that I have arthritis

2627
01:42:50,390 --> 01:42:48,960
so I reached out to him about that and

2628
01:42:53,209 --> 01:42:50,400
there's there's a whole component

2629
01:42:55,129 --> 01:42:53,219
related to him healing people and things

2630
01:42:57,169 --> 01:42:55,139
like that that is really intriguing to

2631
01:42:59,030 --> 01:42:57,179
me and I would like to have more

2632
01:42:59,930 --> 01:42:59,040
conversations with him about that in the

2633
01:43:02,450 --> 01:42:59,940
future

2634
01:43:04,310 --> 01:43:02,460
so the healing aspect is the most

2635
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:04,320
interesting to you of everything that

2636
01:43:08,570 --> 01:43:06,239
you know about him yes because he's

2637
01:43:10,070 --> 01:43:08,580
actually usually at the reverse when it

2638
01:43:12,530 --> 01:43:10,080
comes to the phenomenon people are

2639
01:43:15,470 --> 01:43:12,540
getting hurt or sick Etc it's kind of

2640
01:43:16,910 --> 01:43:15,480
unusual for him it's healing things are

2641
01:43:19,609 --> 01:43:16,920
healing

2642
01:43:23,270 --> 01:43:19,619
so that's what intrigues me listen he's

2643
01:43:25,370 --> 01:43:23,280
a he he's always online like uh I am a I

2644
01:43:27,530 --> 01:43:25,380
I love the Twitter spaces he's on

2645
01:43:29,209 --> 01:43:27,540
Twitter spaces a lot I mean you'd be

2646
01:43:30,290 --> 01:43:29,219
surprised all the people you get to you

2647
01:43:31,790 --> 01:43:30,300
can interact with on these Twitter

2648
01:43:34,790 --> 01:43:31,800
spaces like Twitter Space is really

2649
01:43:36,530 --> 01:43:34,800
starting to come into its own so I I

2650
01:43:39,590 --> 01:43:36,540
want to interact with him on this show

2651
01:43:45,070 --> 01:43:39,600
TJ and I have been largely and highly

2652
01:43:50,030 --> 01:43:48,229
yeah whatever the emails DMS every way

2653
01:43:51,890 --> 01:43:50,040
we try to get a hold of them I was like

2654
01:43:54,530 --> 01:43:51,900
I don't understand people they have so

2655
01:43:56,930 --> 01:43:54,540
much fun on the show dude you know I

2656
01:43:57,850 --> 01:43:56,940
just don't get people man like that's

2657
01:44:00,470 --> 01:43:57,860
weird

2658
01:44:02,990 --> 01:44:00,480
like what are you talking about like be

2659
01:44:05,090 --> 01:44:03,000
happy that people want to talk to you I

2660
01:44:06,950 --> 01:44:05,100
don't know I maybe he hasn't seen it in

2661
01:44:08,330 --> 01:44:06,960
his management is the only one who's

2662
01:44:10,010 --> 01:44:08,340
seen it I don't know I haven't

2663
01:44:12,109 --> 01:44:10,020
personally I don't have a way to get

2664
01:44:13,729 --> 01:44:12,119
through to him but I know he would have

2665
01:44:15,050 --> 01:44:13,739
all kinds of fun on here and we talk

2666
01:44:17,090 --> 01:44:15,060
about his favorite chips and his

2667
01:44:21,790 --> 01:44:17,100
barbecue and all that stuff Carolina

2668
01:44:28,010 --> 01:44:25,490
yeah we started something here okay okay

2669
01:44:28,870 --> 01:44:28,020
guys I have to tell you something I have

2670
01:44:32,450 --> 01:44:28,880
this

2671
01:44:34,250 --> 01:44:32,460
I've made up a chips joke because of

2672
01:44:36,709 --> 01:44:34,260
this show like it just like kept rubbing

2673
01:44:40,250 --> 01:44:36,719
off on me I was chatting with a client

2674
01:44:43,550 --> 01:44:40,260
and I said okay what type of Chip to

2675
01:44:47,629 --> 01:44:43,560
poor shoes like the best

2676
01:44:50,090 --> 01:44:47,639
yes to what poor shoes what kind of chip

2677
01:44:52,010 --> 01:44:50,100
would poor shoes like

2678
01:44:56,109 --> 01:44:52,020
what kind of chip would pour shoes like

2679
01:44:58,970 --> 01:44:56,119
you ready for your toes

2680
01:45:01,310 --> 01:44:58,980
three toes

2681
01:45:04,070 --> 01:45:01,320
another chip that by the way I love

2682
01:45:06,470 --> 01:45:04,080
overly salty corn chip that I could eat

2683
01:45:08,990 --> 01:45:06,480
for hours

2684
01:45:11,090 --> 01:45:09,000
um Matt I'm sorry you wanted to divide

2685
01:45:14,770 --> 01:45:11,100
me for barbecue before we we did Sarah

2686
01:45:19,970 --> 01:45:16,430
tell me something about Oklahoma

2687
01:45:22,209 --> 01:45:19,980
barbecue okay um all right let's go with

2688
01:45:24,890 --> 01:45:22,219
your cabbie goodbyes and please sir

2689
01:45:26,689 --> 01:45:24,900
yeah it's been awesome I've thoroughly

2690
01:45:29,450 --> 01:45:26,699
enjoyed it uh

2691
01:45:33,649 --> 01:45:29,460
man I I want to go off on an AI tangent

2692
01:45:35,149 --> 01:45:33,659
now so thanks for that uh but yeah uh

2693
01:45:37,250 --> 01:45:35,159
thank you so much for coming on and

2694
01:45:40,850 --> 01:45:37,260
giving us some of your time uh of course

2695
01:45:43,370 --> 01:45:40,860
you're doing some amazing work on TV I

2696
01:45:46,729 --> 01:45:43,380
I've enjoyed it and uh looking forward

2697
01:45:48,050 --> 01:45:46,739
to uh your continued work at Skinwalker

2698
01:45:49,669 --> 01:45:48,060
Ranch

2699
01:45:51,649 --> 01:45:49,679
awesome thank you thank you for

2700
01:45:56,350 --> 01:45:51,659
supporting it and watching appreciate it

2701
01:45:59,629 --> 01:45:56,360
Debs I met Brandon very recently at a

2702
01:46:02,870 --> 01:45:59,639
conference in New York yeah and pictures

2703
01:46:05,510 --> 01:46:02,880
did you put pictures I was there

2704
01:46:07,250 --> 01:46:05,520
yeah and I'm happy to say that when I

2705
01:46:09,530 --> 01:46:07,260
mentioned your name and that you'd be on

2706
01:46:11,510 --> 01:46:09,540
the show soon he just lit up and that

2707
01:46:13,850 --> 01:46:11,520
told me a lot but I already knew how

2708
01:46:15,830 --> 01:46:13,860
incredible you were and we are always

2709
01:46:17,810 --> 01:46:15,840
blessed when you come and talk to us and

2710
01:46:20,209 --> 01:46:17,820
when I get a chance to communicate with

2711
01:46:21,950 --> 01:46:20,219
you it's amazing so thank you so much

2712
01:46:24,590 --> 01:46:21,960
for everything that you do

2713
01:46:27,229 --> 01:46:24,600
thank you thank you

2714
01:46:29,030 --> 01:46:27,239
yeah TJ uh I feel like you're an

2715
01:46:30,709 --> 01:46:29,040
honorary cab member at this point you've

2716
01:46:32,390 --> 01:46:30,719
been on the show many times we're very

2717
01:46:36,169 --> 01:46:32,400
grateful uh for every time that you

2718
01:46:38,570 --> 01:46:36,179
appear I just love your openness to the

2719
01:46:40,490 --> 01:46:38,580
conversation the community you're a

2720
01:46:42,770 --> 01:46:40,500
genuine person and that means a lot to

2721
01:46:45,770 --> 01:46:42,780
us and I I can see that it comes out in

2722
01:46:47,689 --> 01:46:45,780
in your work and what you pursue and uh

2723
01:46:48,649 --> 01:46:47,699
you know I thank you for that

2724
01:46:50,149 --> 01:46:48,659
um

2725
01:46:52,910 --> 01:46:50,159
the chip thing I don't know if I can get

2726
01:46:56,950 --> 01:46:52,920
behind it I just personally

2727
01:47:00,950 --> 01:46:59,930
I'm just not I just uh Pringles I'm cool

2728
01:47:03,470 --> 01:47:00,960
with

2729
01:47:05,390 --> 01:47:03,480
uh yeah but uh you know the next time I

2730
01:47:06,490 --> 01:47:05,400
see you Pringles salt and vinegar on me

2731
01:47:10,669 --> 01:47:06,500
so

2732
01:47:14,570 --> 01:47:10,679
great

2733
01:47:16,430 --> 01:47:14,580
I Echo every everybody's sentiments TJ

2734
01:47:19,010 --> 01:47:16,440
um you know I'm gonna go and I'm gonna

2735
01:47:21,050 --> 01:47:19,020
pre pre-screen those Whole Foods

2736
01:47:23,990 --> 01:47:21,060
Pringles on your behalf and then give

2737
01:47:26,810 --> 01:47:24,000
your reports and TJ is awesome last

2738
01:47:28,970 --> 01:47:26,820
summer I was down in Tampa to work at

2739
01:47:31,550 --> 01:47:28,980
CAE for a little bit and we had to talk

2740
01:47:34,790 --> 01:47:31,560
about some prospective guests and he

2741
01:47:38,510 --> 01:47:34,800
took he actually took a phone call and

2742
01:47:39,950 --> 01:47:38,520
educated me on some stuff and so uh just

2743
01:47:42,229 --> 01:47:39,960
to Echo what they're saying I really do

2744
01:47:44,270 --> 01:47:42,239
appreciate your time and your

2745
01:47:47,030 --> 01:47:44,280
genuineness and in coming on here and

2746
01:47:48,890 --> 01:47:47,040
and sharing your views and we learn a

2747
01:47:52,010 --> 01:47:48,900
lot when we speak with you hopefully

2748
01:47:55,550 --> 01:47:52,020
you've learned something from us uh that

2749
01:47:58,070 --> 01:47:55,560
potato chips are important you know uh

2750
01:48:00,229 --> 01:47:58,080
no I love listen you guys are great this

2751
01:48:01,729 --> 01:48:00,239
is why I always say like I don't care I

2752
01:48:03,890 --> 01:48:01,739
will always do your show anytime you ask

2753
01:48:07,669 --> 01:48:03,900
me you know that just text me

2754
01:48:08,930 --> 01:48:07,679
um yeah I have no no ego about that

2755
01:48:10,370 --> 01:48:08,940
stuff like yeah whatever man you guys

2756
01:48:12,169 --> 01:48:10,380
want to come talk let's go talk hang out

2757
01:48:13,250 --> 01:48:12,179
it's awesome Wednesday night let's do

2758
01:48:14,510 --> 01:48:13,260
something

2759
01:48:16,010 --> 01:48:14,520
um you know that's how I look at it it's

2760
01:48:17,510 --> 01:48:16,020
like anytime you can share with people

2761
01:48:20,030 --> 01:48:17,520
you know and talk about stuff you like

2762
01:48:21,530 --> 01:48:20,040
to talk about and uh strange ideas I

2763
01:48:23,330 --> 01:48:21,540
love that and this fireside chat this

2764
01:48:25,370 --> 01:48:23,340
was great I I think this is a good

2765
01:48:27,530 --> 01:48:25,380
format for you like kind of getting a

2766
01:48:30,410 --> 01:48:27,540
round table in uh and letting people

2767
01:48:32,149 --> 01:48:30,420
kind of throw your ideas around

2768
01:48:34,010 --> 01:48:32,159
um yeah I like your I like your format

2769
01:48:36,290 --> 01:48:34,020
this is this is good but no I appreciate

2770
01:48:38,570 --> 01:48:36,300
it um I look forward to this anytime I

2771
01:48:39,830 --> 01:48:38,580
can uh and I don't do many I don't I

2772
01:48:41,930 --> 01:48:39,840
truly don't and it's not because I don't

2773
01:48:44,209 --> 01:48:41,940
it's like listen people ask me to do

2774
01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:44,219
stuff I'll do them um but I mean you

2775
01:48:47,810 --> 01:48:46,560
guys have always been great and uh and

2776
01:48:49,070 --> 01:48:47,820
I'll make sure that like when you text

2777
01:48:51,010 --> 01:48:49,080
me I'm like oh shoot I better get back

2778
01:48:53,990 --> 01:48:51,020
to real quick you know

2779
01:48:56,090 --> 01:48:54,000
it's so awesome man I I feel much more

2780
01:48:57,649 --> 01:48:56,100
important than I am that you do do that

2781
01:49:00,229 --> 01:48:57,659
and please tell your family thank you

2782
01:49:02,270 --> 01:49:00,239
for letting us borrow you for a couple

2783
01:49:04,729 --> 01:49:02,280
hours here we really do appreciate it

2784
01:49:06,890 --> 01:49:04,739
and we will send you an invite when we

2785
01:49:08,750 --> 01:49:06,900
do the summer party where we will be

2786
01:49:10,310 --> 01:49:08,760
dressed in barbecue attire and Nathan

2787
01:49:13,250 --> 01:49:10,320
will have a barbecue background up there

2788
01:49:15,770 --> 01:49:13,260
and we will be talking about

2789
01:49:17,270 --> 01:49:15,780
um we're gonna do a chip bracket so you

2790
01:49:19,310 --> 01:49:17,280
got to participate in that yeah we're

2791
01:49:21,590 --> 01:49:19,320
gonna have a chip bracket we're going to

2792
01:49:23,870 --> 01:49:21,600
be talking UFOs and barbecue and and and

2793
01:49:26,590 --> 01:49:23,880
the on and as Matt likes to call it the

2794
01:49:30,470 --> 01:49:26,600
Unexplained so I love it

2795
01:49:33,290 --> 01:49:30,480
so on behalf of TJ Allard Matt Deb's

2796
01:49:36,410 --> 01:49:33,300
money Nathan this is DJ saying peace out

2797
01:49:37,850 --> 01:49:36,420
one love we'll see you down the road and

2798
01:49:39,980 --> 01:49:37,860
as always the cabbies are wondering

2799
01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:39,990
what's up around the bend